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re: At least 8 dead and many injured at Astroworld Travis Scott concert
Posted on 11/7/21 at 9:38 am to NoSaint
Posted on 11/7/21 at 9:38 am to NoSaint
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He fully completed his set.
I’m not sure how the event didn’t address maybe at least cutting drakes appearance out and having him gone it down slightly on the fly if nothing else.
Both the police chief and the mayor said In the interview that night that the concert ended when they informed him.
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 9:38 am to NoSaint
Meanwhile, compare Travis Scott to Eddie Vedder’s response when told there were issues in the pit at Roskilde
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What will happen in the next five minutes has nothing to do with music. But it is important. Imagine that I am your friend and that you must step back so as not to hurt me. You all have friends up front. I will now count to three, and you will all take three steps back. All who agree say ‘Yes’ now.” After a big cheer and a few seconds of movement by the crowd, Vedder asked everyone to step back again.
Posted on 11/7/21 at 9:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Probably more about the event than the music.
Said every old man ever
Posted on 11/7/21 at 9:40 am to MikeD
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Meanwhile, compare Travis Scott to Eddie Vedder’s response when told there were issues in the pit at Roskilde
We dont know what he personally had been told yet, do we?
He may well be liable in a substantial way but at night it’s not crazy to think he just thought it was a normal rowdy crowd unless he was very directly informed
This post was edited on 11/7/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 11/7/21 at 9:41 am to NoSaint
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Said every old man ever
This one is correct, Zoomer.
Posted on 11/7/21 at 9:43 am to LSUGrrrl
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Both the police chief and the mayor said In the interview that night that the concert ended when they informed him.
He played every song on his set list according to several reports.
Posted on 11/7/21 at 9:44 am to Scruffy
This would never happen at a George Strait concert, and he’s the King
Posted on 11/7/21 at 9:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Well, if he encouraged fence jumping then he may be somewhat to blame.
Yeah this is where I think you can blame him. He created the environment/mentality that led to all of this.
Once he is onstage it's really on the producers/police/fire dept to shut it down.
Posted on 11/7/21 at 9:48 am to MikeD
the dead did the “take a step back” thing so often it became a set list track on the tapes
Posted on 11/7/21 at 10:00 am to NoSaint
Scott is doing sold out arena shows everywhere he goes. Whether it be drugs or other issues I would guess there is some sort of medical emergency at every single show he does
Posted on 11/7/21 at 10:04 am to cgrand
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the dead did the “take a step back” thing so often it became a set list track on the tapes
It was really only the Cornel show.
Take a step back
Posted on 11/7/21 at 10:16 am to notiger1997
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For 37 minutes after Houston police and firefighters responded to a “mass casualty” event at a packed Astroworld rap concert where attendees were crushed against the stage Friday evening, Travis Scott continued performing.
Police officials said the promoter, Live Nation, agreed to cut the show shortly after multiple people collapsed at 9:38 p.m. But concert attendees said Scott appeared to play his whole set and finished at 10:15 p.m. Concert staff ignored pleas from fans to halt the show, including some who climbed onto camera platforms to point out others who had collapsed and needed medical attention.
A review of videos and social media posts that documented one of the deadliest concerts in U.S. history raises questions about the official timeline of events put forth by local officials, the swiftness of their response and their ability to communicate effectively with concert promoters during the disaster.
Houston Police Chief Troy Finner said he had enough officers onsite to handle the crowd of 50,000. But he also said he could not have abruptly ended the show for fear of sparking a riot his department could not control.
The delay restricted the movement of first responders, who were still transporting limp bodies when Scott finished his final song, “Goosebumps.”]
Posted on 11/7/21 at 10:18 am to Ed Osteen
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Scott is doing sold out arena shows everywhere he goes. Whether it be drugs or other issues I would guess there is some sort of medical emergency at every single show he does
I agree and that’s why you see me giving him more range than most here. hell, I’m probably one of the few here that have been to one of his sets before. It could be hard for him to differentiate from the stage that something serious was going on vs standard rowdy shows with some medical needs here and there.
Once the police contact the producer as a mass casualty event occurring - the stage manager and artist should be looped in and ideally you have the artist talk down the crowd a bit and maybe trim some of the more explosive elements (like a massive surprise guest joining). If it doesn’t tone down quickly you start finding an exit strategy for ending early without riot. The above can happen over the course of about 5 minutes, not 40, if the company is putting safety above excitement.
Somewhere in there it didn’t happen and those folks will have questions to answer.
This post was edited on 11/7/21 at 10:21 am
Posted on 11/7/21 at 10:38 am to NoSaint
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Once the police contact the producer as a mass casualty event occurring - the stage manager and artist should be looped in and ideally you have the artist talk down the crowd a bit and maybe trim some of the more explosive elements (like a massive surprise guest joining). If it doesn’t tone down quickly you start finding an exit strategy for ending early without riot. The above can happen over the course of about 5 minutes, not 40, if the company is putting safety above excitement.
Somewhere in there it didn’t happen and those folks will have questions to answer.
Agree with all of this.
They had ample opportunities to identify something major happening and several options to diffuse the situation.
Posted on 11/7/21 at 11:07 am to NoSaint
quote:This, people are jumping to have strong takes because that's just what people do nowadays.
We dont know what he personally had been told yet, do we?
He may well be liable in a substantial way but at night it’s not crazy to think he just thought it was a normal rowdy crowd unless he was very directly informed
No one cares about letting all the details come out before coming up with your opinion. People just need to get their hot take on record immediately for some weird reason.
People passing out at a show is not some new thing, it's pretty darn normal. It seems he also stopped his show 2 times specifically asking for help and ensuring people got help. Like the poster I quoted just said, it's absolutely possible he knew more about what was going on and said frick it, show must go on. It's also just as possible that he's pretty isolated from knowing exactly what's going on and with that many people, he can only see and know so much about what is going on.
I'm sure we'll find out.
Posted on 11/7/21 at 11:15 am to Scruffy
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At least 8 dead
Natural selection
Posted on 11/7/21 at 11:18 am to shel311
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with that many people, he can only see and know so much about what is going on.
That many people, in the dark, with spotlights coming at him.
You just don’t see much detail in the crowd. Can point at the ambulance, but as others mentioned, some emergency lights here and there aren’t crazy at a festival style show and he did address giving them space.
If anyone went in his ear with “this is bad - people are dying” and he’s still asking to hear the earth shake that’s a different story altogether. There’s a 3 person chain here that’ll be very interesting to breakdown- police point of contact, stage manager/event producer, and artist. At least one seems to have made a mistake, and possibly all 3
Posted on 11/7/21 at 11:20 am to NoSaint
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That many people, in the dark, with spotlights coming at him.
Theres a video linked in this thread of a dead/dying man being lifted directly in front of the singer. So, no, he wasn't shielded from the shite.
He knew what was going on, probably didn't know the scope..
This post was edited on 11/7/21 at 11:21 am
Posted on 11/7/21 at 11:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Wasn't that the one where he stopped the show, and spent about 30 seconds pointing out to security or whoever where the guy was and kept saying to get him help?
Theres a video linked in this thread of a dead/dying man being lifted directly in front of the singer. So, no, he wasn't shielded from the shite.
He knew what was going on, probably didn't know the scope..
But also, this is not some crazy out of the ordinary thing at festival shows, it's actually pretty normal to see one person being taken away by EMS. I've been to festivals where there's just a line of ambulances and EMS folks hanging around just waiting for shite like this, because it is that normal at these types of shows. No, I'm not saying what happened entirely was normal obviously, just pointing out a random 1 or 2 guys a dude on stage sees EMS tending to, that is normal.
I see a lot of pics/videos showing him still singing while someone is being tended to, which first is still pretty normal. But second, it's disingenuous because he was doing some kind of weird humming of a song(terribly) but it was an awkward thing he was doing in the above situation where he stopped the entire show and tried to get the guy help. Then he was staring at the guy while they were helping him, again show completely stopped, and he was doing the weird humming/singing thing, but that was posted as how he kept on singing while he knew someone was having an issue. It was pretty darn disingenuous, pretty sure it's posted early in this thread too.
This post was edited on 11/7/21 at 11:44 am
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