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re: Ascension Parish pumps floodwaters from Spanish Lake into Bayou Manchac..

Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by Odinson
Asgard
Member since Apr 2014
2868 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:17 pm to
Is this good or bad for subdivisions around the man Manchac bridge area like Fountain hill, lassale and Santa Maria?
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17691 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:44 pm to
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Bayou Manchac used to flow into the Mississippi River before humans altered the course of Mother Nature.
you sure about that.... Given the higher elevations near the MS river as opposed to the lowering elevations along the route of bayou manchac - it would appear the river flowed into bayou manchac most of the time,

except for tidal back flow when river stages were low.

Glad someone else caught this too.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/25/21 at 1:00 pm to
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The swamp doesn't drain out of Iberville or Ascension on it's own without the lock


It would drain to the amite if there wasn't a half a city worth of bullshite erected in the way.
Posted by ABucks11
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
1236 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 1:39 pm to
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Given the higher elevations near the MS river as opposed to the lowering elevations along the route of bayou manchac - it would appear the river flowed into bayou manchac most of the time,


Correct. Manchac is a distributary of the Mississippi and flowed from MS River to Amite. It would flow backwards into the MS River if the Amite was flooding and the MS River was low.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 1:41 pm to
This is the intent of the Louisiana Watershed Initiative. Water knows no political boundaries.
Posted by LSUGreg
Gonzales
Member since Jan 2006
716 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 1:57 pm to
Currently it wouldn't. Right now all that's being done is moving water. I live in Gonzales and am very thankful for the Marvin Braud pumping station Ascension has. However, it sometimes has bad impacts on other areas.

Water has been flowing from the Amite over the roads in Maurepas in recent days. Blind River is backed up and parts of Airline in St James Parish is under water. Much of the right eastbound lane as of last night.

This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 2:15 pm
Posted by TigeeDaleC
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2014
192 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 2:19 pm to
There's a great book on Bayou Manchac and the flooding history, see LINK
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
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Posted on 5/25/21 at 2:29 pm to
Posted by TigeeDaleC
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2014
192 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 2:33 pm to
Also, the problem is that almost ALL of EBR rainfall flows into the Amite River, and then the Amite River backs up into and all the way up Bayou Manchac to the Bluebonnet Swamp (on the EBR side) and the Alligator Bayou/Spanish Lake basin (on the Ascension/Iberville side). That means all the continued development all across EBR (not just down around Burbank) has increased the runoff into Ascension and Iberville. Then Ascension and Iberville get stuck with the increased EBR runoff, because ..... Manchac cannot drain until the Amite drains and the winds from the south have been slowing the Amite drainage. So Ascension and Iberville are stuck with EBR runoff until the Amite can drain.

And also notice that all the development along Burbank/Bluebonnet is just developing deeper into the swamp, putting more drainage pressure on Ascension/Iberville.

Apparently, the Amite River Basin Commission has jurisdiction but no authority.

So, it's a mess that will require some interparish cooperation, but please don't involve the Corps of Engineers
Posted by TigeeDaleC
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2014
192 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 2:35 pm to
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72096 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 3:06 pm to
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please don't involve the Corps of Engineers


I agree fully, but unfortunately I dont see any other way.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29899 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 3:32 pm to
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How many pumps are they running to pump 21 million gallons per minute?


120.

A better way to think about the pumps Ascension is using is to convert it to acre-feet/hour. It kind of helps you visualize it better than gallons/minute, which are meaningless for such a large area. If they have a max capacity of 120,000 gpm, then that's about 21.6 acre-feet/hour. An acre-foot is of course a foot of water covering an acre. So if the swamp is say 500 acres and it needs to go down four feet, then you can estimate the time it's going to take the pumps to do the work.
Posted by TigeeDaleC
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2014
192 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:47 am to
There are several thousand acres back there.....and the drop right now is imperceptible by just eyeballing it. But they were bringing in more pipe this morning.
Posted by TigeeDaleC
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2014
192 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:52 am to
WBRZ: In St. Gabriel, residents are trapped in their homes and frustrated with high waters. After a week of being flooded in, residents are trying to explore all their options. In Meadow Oaks, two trucks have been called in to tow cars, taking them across the water so people can leave their homes without vehicle damage. Until the water goes down, the city's trying to help get groceries and medicine to people stuck on the other side of the high water.
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