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re: As a taxpayer, would you be willing to increase police pay?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:01 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:01 pm to KosmoCramer
Now we're getting somewhere
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:11 pm to burgeman
Yes, but you can control the people you hire to fight the crime.
Honestly, crime has been falling for a long time. Yet, we still have just as many police, if not more. Again, I understand there are a few exceptions to this, but good grief, we certainly don't need all the law enforcement we have. We sure as hell don't need them having all this military gear, either. That's another thread, though.
Honestly, crime has been falling for a long time. Yet, we still have just as many police, if not more. Again, I understand there are a few exceptions to this, but good grief, we certainly don't need all the law enforcement we have. We sure as hell don't need them having all this military gear, either. That's another thread, though.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:15 pm to KosmoCramer
Cosmo, where are you. I'm in an at-will state with no union. No body camera but a body mic.
Can I has mo money?
Can I has mo money?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:16 pm to N2cars
Blame the feds on the equipment issue, they make available for stupid cheap.
I'm not arguing the people you hire issue, hire more qualified people, increase the pay and you will see a positive outcome.
I'm out here now because I enjoy doing what I do, I'm sure I could go do something and make more money but that's not the most important thing for me right now. For someone else they might want to do it and generally be called to want to help people but won't do it because they can't justify a 4year degree to make 30k.
I'm not arguing the people you hire issue, hire more qualified people, increase the pay and you will see a positive outcome.
I'm out here now because I enjoy doing what I do, I'm sure I could go do something and make more money but that's not the most important thing for me right now. For someone else they might want to do it and generally be called to want to help people but won't do it because they can't justify a 4year degree to make 30k.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:18 pm to KosmoCramer
Sure, trim the fat from other areas and re-allocate the funds.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:22 pm to burgeman
Burge, you'll notice I haven't disparged LEOs, but some of these departments exsist solely for nothing. They demean your profession (yeah, levee Board, I'm talking about you 
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You have a hard job and we appreciate you.
) You have a hard job and we appreciate you.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:24 pm to N2cars
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Really, at least 25%. Never miss 'em.
No shite. A buddy of mine is a brpd. He patrols a pretty harsh area. He told me that of like 750 brpd officers only like 300 patrol. He told me about the mounted guys only messing with horse stuff. Like parades and whatnot. Some dude called speedy told me I'm an idiot or something but wouldn't refute the claim. I was also told there's a pack of officers at the car fixing center thing. Not mechanics, or administrative people... Badge carrying officers.
My buddy loves what he does and is a high character cat. He hates the waste and fat at brpd. The problem is any police type anywhere ultimately reports to some dickhole politician. Without the civil service protection that covers the waste he could be hung out to dry for pissing off the wrong donor.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:30 pm to LT
ebrso is a joke with shitty people and a dumb sheriff. Gatreaux is an idiot.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:43 pm to Need4Speed
Great conversation.
Better pay gets better candidates
Civil service protects good cops from being fired for arresting the wrong person. We typically don't have unions in the South.
The problem with police work isn't civil service or the unions. It's the culture of unprofessional departments. You have the change the cultures of those departments.
Having SOs take over isn't always a great idea. The reason they can't run radar in Mississippi is because they were do corrupt back in the day. Some are still unprofessional at best.
Each state has different retirements. All of Mississippi's public employees are under the same system. 30 years at 60%.
I love cameras. They make our job so much easier and effective. Your mind is a weird tool and in extreme situations it's very hard to remember the exact sequence of events. That's why eye witnesses tell 10 different stories about the same event.
Better pay gets better candidates
Civil service protects good cops from being fired for arresting the wrong person. We typically don't have unions in the South.
The problem with police work isn't civil service or the unions. It's the culture of unprofessional departments. You have the change the cultures of those departments.
Having SOs take over isn't always a great idea. The reason they can't run radar in Mississippi is because they were do corrupt back in the day. Some are still unprofessional at best.
Each state has different retirements. All of Mississippi's public employees are under the same system. 30 years at 60%.
I love cameras. They make our job so much easier and effective. Your mind is a weird tool and in extreme situations it's very hard to remember the exact sequence of events. That's why eye witnesses tell 10 different stories about the same event.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:07 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
That post right there.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:12 pm to N2cars
I really haven't ran into anyone who is actually against cameras
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:14 pm to KosmoCramer
No
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:14 pm to Negative Nomad
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I have no issue with body cameras as long as citizens are arrested after false complaints are filed and the video exonerates the officer and the complaint is an outright lie.
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At will employment wont work.
So you want very stiff punishments for civilians while continuing to let the police run wild with no consequences?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:19 pm to burgeman
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I really haven't ran into anyone who is actually against cameras
Make the admin wear them and you will hear the screams.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:20 pm to N2cars
Thank you sir.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:21 pm to Open Your Eyes
We have consequences. Serious ones at good departments.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:28 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
Suspended with pay pending an internal investigation is not a consequence.
I'm sure you are partially correct and that there are some good departments out there. But there are a lot of bad ones too.
I'm sure you are partially correct and that there are some good departments out there. But there are a lot of bad ones too.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:44 pm to KosmoCramer
Not really
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:48 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Suspended with pay pending an internal investigation
Means that person is about to be terminated in my experience. Without fail that has been the case.
Suspended without pay sucks.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:57 pm to KosmoCramer
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Obviously that would have to be negotiated.
But I was thinking $75,000
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