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re: Army's 'Captain America' dies by suicide after nearly a dozen combat tours
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:29 pm to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:29 pm to Mike da Tigah
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There is simply NO EXCUSE for ever letting things get to this point with our veterans, and if there is one thing this country should without question fund to the max it’s our VA hospitals and treatment for those this country sends to war. They are without question the very best this country has to offer in courage and sacrifice, and yet the treatment they get in return is just plain revolting.
No matter what side you are on politically this has to become a more important issue.
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Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:32 pm to Mike da Tigah
So why does this happen? What gets broken?
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:40 pm to Mike da Tigah
This sadness me to my core as some men after combat are just not able to ever come home and leave it behind.
The operational tempo for our warriors since 9/11 was never sustainable but we asked our Best to do it regardless of the number of in country tours.
Why the frick are we still in Afghanistan?
God Bless you Master Sgt Marckesano.
The operational tempo for our warriors since 9/11 was never sustainable but we asked our Best to do it regardless of the number of in country tours.
Why the frick are we still in Afghanistan?
God Bless you Master Sgt Marckesano.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:43 pm to Mike da Tigah
Jeez, that’s sad
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:48 pm to Mike da Tigah
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There is simply NO EXCUSE for ever letting things get to this point with our veterans, and if there is one thing this country should without question fund to the max it’s our VA hospitals and treatment for those this country sends to war. They are without question the very best this country has to offer in courage and sacrifice, and yet the treatment they get in return is just plain revolting.
I did not see in the story what he requested and did not get.
Further down in the story was another tragedy that happened but it was in 2013. Why did the author feel the need to go back 7 years for another example? Were more recent stories not as dramatic?
I get that vets in these circumstances should get all the help they request but what if they don't request it? Perhaps I missed where he did. If a vet doesn't ask, should treatment get rammed down his throat?
The reason I ask is because I have non-military related depression at times and I abhor anybody hovering over me about it unless it gets really bad.
The guy from 2013 down below certainly was mistreated.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:56 pm to bigpetedatiga
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WTF does this say about us? Seriously....
That our politicians do not care about us. All politicians are on the same page to keep the status quo...
But they will thank the hell out of them for their service right.
The previous 3 administrations ignored veterans
This one has taken things a long way....
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:56 pm to Mike da Tigah
In war some things can't be unseen or undone.. shite can haunt you for the rest of your life.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:57 pm to gthog61
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I get that vets in these circumstances should get all the help they request but what if they don't request it? Perhaps I missed where he did. If a vet doesn't ask, should treatment get rammed down his throat?
This is the big hurdle. A lot of times these guys aren't receptive to getting the help they need and will reject it if offered. There is a stigma about mental health that needs to go.
Not that the VA is great at providing it even if they want it.
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:58 pm to Cracker
How about not put people like Tammy Duckworth in charge at the VA.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:01 pm to Mike da Tigah
“The army turns men into million dollar assets and then once they’re out, they’re as good as used rubber tires”
Heard something to this effect on a podcast the other day
Heard something to this effect on a podcast the other day
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:01 pm to Langland
quote:wouldnt you feel guilty if you kicked someone’s door down and shot them in front of there kids and wife for no other reason than moneychangers trying to line their pockets.
So why does this happen
When they’re young and dumb they don’t realize what they’re doing and as they get older, the stark reality of the senselessness prevails. Sometimes in their mind the only noble thing is suicide.
FYI, I was a marine for 12 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan.
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:10 pm to shackleford318
Post less.
Your post assumes what exact experiences this man had. And you do not know that, no matter your past. (Which you edited your post to assert).
I disagree with the position that ANYONE knows as a certainty what motivated this man’s actions. The final act,in front of his wife (if true) causes concern with me that there may be more here than we know.
And, I do have a son that is a Marine Corp vet....combat engineer. That doesn’t mean I wore his boots, but I was damn close.
Your post assumes what exact experiences this man had. And you do not know that, no matter your past. (Which you edited your post to assert).
I disagree with the position that ANYONE knows as a certainty what motivated this man’s actions. The final act,in front of his wife (if true) causes concern with me that there may be more here than we know.
And, I do have a son that is a Marine Corp vet....combat engineer. That doesn’t mean I wore his boots, but I was damn close.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:16 pm to V Bainbridge
You clearly have no idea what living through things that he likely did actually does to someone. Some people have an amazing family and awesome support system, and everything else in life going their way yet the internal demons overpower them. Compared to the average every day American, they have every reason for suicide to never be a thought that would even enter their mind. Who’s to say he didn’t do it in front of his wife because she’s the one person who has been there for him through the struggles he has dealt with and has shared his pain. It’s quite likely that being with her at that moment gave him comfort him when he made the decision to end the war he was still fighting inside to end it the struggle in hopes of being at peace. It’s not an idea he woke up with last week and began planning out. He had no reason for any average person resort to suicide in the first place. That alone shows the person he used to be or who he is on a good day is clearly not the same person that made the decision to do what he did, so the manner in which it happened is no more odd than it happening in the first place. If this sort of thing wasn’t happening daily there would be no need for the VA because we would all live a normal life and there would not be events like this happening that cause someone like you to ‘speculate’ how odd it may seem. Unless you have lived through something like seeing some of the people who are closest to you gathered up and put in little boxes to be flown back home for their family to have something to bury, there not much need for you to ‘speculate’ how ‘odd’ something like this may be.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:18 pm to jimbeam
The reasons vary as much as the individuals, but that quote in my opinion gets closer to the truth.
For me the deployments were the most exciting part of my life, and once you are out much becomes so mundane. Life has lost much of its excitement, you are older and you are not the stud who could ruck up a mountain and bring hell to the enemy.
The "trauma" can affect people differently but worse than the "trauma" is everyone thinking you might have some trauma or watching people act out or become political with their trauma, and you wonder that maybe something is wrong with you because the trauma did not affect you.
I thought the Iraq war was a bad move and the military and political leadership fricked up in Afghanistan. But what pisses me off are the comments about how the combat "ruins" people by those who have a fricking obvious agenda.
Overall our culture has become so vapid and soulless as to make existing in it questionable.
For me the deployments were the most exciting part of my life, and once you are out much becomes so mundane. Life has lost much of its excitement, you are older and you are not the stud who could ruck up a mountain and bring hell to the enemy.
The "trauma" can affect people differently but worse than the "trauma" is everyone thinking you might have some trauma or watching people act out or become political with their trauma, and you wonder that maybe something is wrong with you because the trauma did not affect you.
I thought the Iraq war was a bad move and the military and political leadership fricked up in Afghanistan. But what pisses me off are the comments about how the combat "ruins" people by those who have a fricking obvious agenda.
Overall our culture has become so vapid and soulless as to make existing in it questionable.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:36 pm to Mike da Tigah
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This post was edited on 10/9/20 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:48 pm to tigergirl10
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died by suicide in front of his wife. He had three small children and was still on active duty.
That is absolutely heartbreaking. May he Rest In Peace, and God bless his family. I can’t even imagine the pain.
My dad did this on Thanksgiving Eve 2010. He walked from the living room to his BR in our camp and that was it. My mom, wife and our 2 young kids were about 15 feet away and heard everything
He never got over the things he experienced in Vietnam.
I think about him and that night everyday.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:51 pm to OTIS2
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What did he post that was incorrect?
Posted on 7/10/20 at 9:10 pm to shutterspeed
Wow. Reading some of the post in this thread leave me really feeling like a little bitch.
Some of what was said above really put into perspective the hell that combat is and what it does to people...
It just leaves me feeling hollow and nauseous , I don't even really know why...
Some of what was said above really put into perspective the hell that combat is and what it does to people...
It just leaves me feeling hollow and nauseous , I don't even really know why...
Posted on 7/10/20 at 9:20 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Marckesano’s suicide was the 30th from this battalion
Wowwww
Posted on 7/10/20 at 9:30 pm to Mike da Tigah
True American
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