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re: Are parents that put their 15 year old daughter on birth control condoning sex or not?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:33 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:33 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Is it really necessary to distinguish between 15 year olds and 16/17 year olds when talking about practical and effective methods for birth control?
When you are speaking of 15yo girls specifically....Yes. Of course high school kids have sex, and I'm not questioning taking practical measures to prevent it. I was addressing specifically the people who seem to think every 15yo girl is whoring around.
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:35 pm to dragginass
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I was addressing specifically the people who seem to think every 15yo girl is whoring around.
I don't think anyone was really arguing that. I think what people were saying is that enough of a percentage do have sex that it is pretty stupid and naive for a parent to just assume their kid isn't in that group.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:36 pm to toosleaux
When I was 16 I was dating a 15 year old girl. Her parents willingly put her on birth control.
They knew we were humping. Her dad liked me.
Oddest thing.
They knew we were humping. Her dad liked me.
Oddest thing.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:37 pm to JOJO Hammer
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If she is playing sports year round and going to church activities
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Some of those girls on church activities were the easiest to bang.
Of course they were.
It never occurs to parents that keep their kids in sports and church activities that those kids may want nothing to do with any of it, and only participate because they're forced to.
I think a big problem with adolescents that lose their minds is that not enough parents actually know their children. They want to raise carbon copies of themselves instead.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:39 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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I don't think anyone was really arguing that. I think what people were saying is that enough of a percentage do have sex that it is pretty stupid and naive for a parent to just assume their kid isn't in that group.
This
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:40 pm to dragginass
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And it's skewed higher to boys, I'm sure.
I know it's 2016 and all but boys are just fricking boys
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:43 pm to AU4real35
First of all I wasnt the person who posted the 47% statistic, why are you asking me?
quote:No I would say the % is less than that. My stance on what?
So half of the 15 year olds in your community would state that they've had sex. This alone should make you reconsider your stance.
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I understand that you're saying all of this out of good intentions , but sometimes good intentions turn into bad situations.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:45 pm to dragginass
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I'm not even questioning that. All I'm saying is that those of you who think every 15 year old has sex, or even half of them, are wrong.
Agree.
And people that say great 15 year olds, that are socially well-adjusted and self-confident, with great grades won't ever screw are just as wrong.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:45 pm to Dire Wolf
How can you put your 15YO on birth control and not think you are condoning sex? Its like giving a kid a corvette and expecting them not to speed or letting them drink at home but expecting them to not drink when they go out.
I don't care what a parent does either way, but its foolish to think your actions wont be viewed as condoning it.
I don't care what a parent does either way, but its foolish to think your actions wont be viewed as condoning it.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:48 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:That's just not true. I never said "a good upbringing will ensure virginity". Now you're just making shite up.
Who claimed that?
You.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:48 pm to tigerinthebueche
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How can you put your 15YO on birth control and not think you are condoning sex? Its like giving a kid a corvette and expecting them not to speed or letting them drink at home but expecting them to not drink when they go out.
I don't care what a parent does either way, but its foolish to think your actions wont be viewed as condoning it.
Idk. Talking to them and expressing your view and explaining to them what's expected of them probably goes a long way. You know, basic human relationship stuff.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:50 pm to The Mick
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That's just not true. I never said "a good upbringing will ensure virginity". Now you're just making shite up.
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She's not "going to do it anyway" at 15 if she was raised with some class and dignity.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:50 pm to tigerinthebueche
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but its foolish to think your actions wont be viewed as condoning it.
What if you just tell them this is not condoning it in any way?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:54 pm to JohnnyKilroy
You see the word "anyway"? I took that to mean regardless of what you do as a parent the kid will definitely bang at 15.
My post intended to say it's not an inevitable thing and parenting has an effect on the kid's decision.
ps - you're obviously taking my post to mean "she's not going to have sex if you raise her right" and that's not what I was saying, or trying to say.
My post intended to say it's not an inevitable thing and parenting has an effect on the kid's decision.
ps - you're obviously taking my post to mean "she's not going to have sex if you raise her right" and that's not what I was saying, or trying to say.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:57 pm to tigerinthebueche
I don't have a daughter and my son is only two. I will say that when my son is 15, I sure as frick hope that his girlfriends are on the pill. If I did have a daughter, I would want her to be on it regardless of whether she was sexually active or not, because I'd rather have her decide that she wants to have sex and be in the pill than become a grandfather at a young age.
I recall when I was in middle and high school, a lot of kids were having sex at 14, a lot more at 15, and just about every 16 and 17 year old was sexually active. I'm sure this hasn't changed.
I recall when I was in middle and high school, a lot of kids were having sex at 14, a lot more at 15, and just about every 16 and 17 year old was sexually active. I'm sure this hasn't changed.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:57 pm to toosleaux
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I can see both sides:
1) She's gonna do it anyway, may as well make sure she doesn't get pregnant.
2) It's basically giving her the green light to bang away.
What are the OT's feelings?
I'm going through this right now with my 15 yo and my answer is:
3. She better not fricking do it but if she does I don't want her to ruin her life.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:58 pm to TheCaterpillar
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What if you just tell them this is not condoning it in any way?
they'll probably think you are full of shite and go frick their boyfriend because of peer pressure.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:07 pm to tigerinthebueche
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How can you put your 15YO on birth control and not think you are condoning sex? Its like giving a kid a corvette and expecting them not to speed or letting them drink at home but expecting them to not drink when they go out.
I don't care what a parent does either way, but its foolish to think your actions wont be viewed as condoning it.
Umm... We sat down with her and clearly explained our reasoning. She's not 2.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:14 pm to toosleaux
i have a 9 year old girl, and knowing her mother, this scares the piss out of me.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:24 pm to northshorebamaman
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I'm going through this right now with my 15 yo and my answer is:
3. She better not fricking do it but if she does I don't want her to ruin her life.
Pregnancy isn't the only way she can harm her future. Simply being sexually active at 15 can lead to negative life outcomes.
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Data was collected from the National Longitudinal Study on Adolescent Health to examine1659 pairs of same sex siblings who were studied from around the ages of 16 to 29 (adolescence to young adulthood). The individuals were put into 3 categories based on the timing they first participated in sexual intercourse; Early (younger than 15), On-Time (ages 15 to 19), and Late (older than 19).
Harden discovered that later involvement in sexual activity was linked to higher attainment of goals educationally, as well as more income during adult years, than those in the Early and On-Time groups. Also, later involvement in sexuality resulted in lower chances of marriage and these individuals did not have as many romantic partners during adulthood as the Early and On-Time groups.
The link still stood even after genetic and environmental factors were taken into account. It was not possible to explain the association by variations in adult academic levels, annual income, religious status, or by BMI (body mass index), attractiveness or teenage differences in dating involvement.
LINK
Also, premarital sex increases the risk of divorce later in life:
LINK
Ignore the name of the website I linked -- they link to the original study and accurately quote it (and even leave out a finding from it that buttresses their point further; there is a dosage effect where a higher partner count increases the risk of divorce).
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