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Are medical errors really the third leading cause of death in this country?

Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:48 pm
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:48 pm
Background: I will be starting my residency in July, and I have to admit I find this fact to be a bit disturbing. I've heard before, based on a 1999 study, that medical errors were responsible for 100k deaths per year in the US. A new study is now claiming that number is closer to 250k, and that it's the third leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer.

What says the OT? I'm interested to hear opinions from healthcare providers and also from people who feel that they have been impacted by preventable medical errors. I have a close family member who works in medical malpractice so I hear about this topic often, and as a student myself I have seen medical errors that led to worse outcomes for patients (although none that led to a patient's demise).

If you listen to the interview in the link below, Makary says that the aviation industry has a great system in place for analyzing errors and finding solutions. It's true, in any professional field we should try to learn from our mistakes. It would be great to see medical errors discussed more openly, but fear of litigation, I think, discourages this. Admitting one's faults is difficult (and I think that's human nature), but it's especially difficult when it affects people's health. During my last two years of clinicals, I can only remember a few times where specific medical errors were discussed openly and critically, with the insistence being that we could have, and should have, done better.

From the Washington Post:
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Martin Makary, a professor of surgery at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine who led the research, said in an interview that the category includes everything from bad doctors to more systemic issues such as communication breakdowns when patients are handed off from one department to another.
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Makary’s research involves a more comprehensive analysis of four large studies, including ones by the Health and Human Services Department’s Office of the Inspector General and the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality that took place between 2000 to 2008. His calculation of 251,000 deaths equates to nearly 700 deaths a day — about 9.5 percent of all deaths annually in the United States.

Explanation from the NYT article:
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Using studies published since 1999, the researchers calculated a mean rate of death from medical error. Then they applied this rate to the yearly number of hospital admissions. In this way, they estimated that an average of 251,454 deaths per year in the United States are caused by medical error. The study is in BMJ.


British Medical Journal article, including interview with lead author of the study Interestingly, he says the 250K estimate a very conservative estimate.

NYT Health Blog
USA Today
Washington Post

Posted by guedeaux
Tardis
Member since Jan 2008
13611 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:49 pm to
#1 cause is not searching
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:49 pm to
somebody comes in last in every class
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59692 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:49 pm to
and people think Im crazy when fast food messes up more order.

why do doctors make so much if they basically suck at their jobs
Posted by SnoopALoop
Nashville
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Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:55 pm to
Statistics say yes. So keep drinking and texting while driving.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68343 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:58 pm to
What field are you in?

Congrats on the long white coat
Posted by white perch
the bright, happy side of hell
Member since Apr 2012
7143 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:59 pm to
Congrats on surviving Med school. Now get ready for the hard part.

Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22775 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:01 pm to
Political board thread on this topic actually stayed on point for the most part. Check it out.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28437 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:07 pm to
Thanks for the congrats, y'all.

Going into emergency medicine. And yeah, the hard part comes next.

I don't really look at this as a political issue so much as a health issue or societal issue. I'll go check it out though. That said, I know that there are a lot of opinionated doctors, nurses, and everyone in between that peruse the OT and was hoping to hear their inputs.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21459 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:13 pm to
This is really an issue that the government is setting up for more intrusion. This is how they justify it. I'm in healthcare and I can guarantee you 45% of the "work" in a medical institution is related to government intrusion already. You will regret your decision to get into healthcare sooner or later and it will be because of the government and the socialist democrat party.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16520 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:15 pm to
I've been told by friends who are doctors that my dad's death could have been prevented (at least delayed for quite some time) had his doctor not dropped the ball. I'm actually a lawyer and was in law school at the time, but I was not interested in pursuing a malpractice suit; it's not like it would have brought him back. The more I think about it, I get really pissed because those doctor friends said that what ended up killing him was something a med school student would have known to check out.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:18 pm to
and there are errors of omission because you won't have time to learn all the latest things until they are mainstream and taught at your credential renewal course.

Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:18 pm to
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those doctor friends said that what ended up killing him was something a med school student would have known to check out.

without knowing any details, that is one of the most common Monday morning qb statements in any profession, I wouldn't let it eat at you, they might not be right and even if so, it won't change a thing, sorry for your loss
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59692 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:22 pm to
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that is one of the most common Monday morning qb statements in any profession,


How many professions deal with life and death daily?

I feel like people go into healthcare more for money and not to help others.
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 2:22 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:29 pm to
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How many professions deal with life and d

more than a few

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I feel like people go into healthcare more for money and not to help others.

if they're doing that these days they might question their advisors
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14054 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:38 pm to
Go watch some of these shows(monsters inside me, etc)

It's amazing more people aren't dead by some of these morons.

Lady goes to see her Doctor, her legs have sores on them, he says it's Poison Ivy(LOLOLOL)), and of course, she continues to listen to this idiot and almost dies, because his lazy arse refused to even research her skin issues.

The more you watch these shows, u realize how fricking lazy Doctors are. Pill pushers

Father went into hospital, arm was bothering him real bad, Doctor says its Pneumonia, finally another Doctor comes in and has xrays done, and he had blockage, he was close to having a hear attack.

They put a stint in.

The other dbag kept arguing it was pneumonia, even though the lungs were fine. lol
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21459 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:42 pm to
You really should go to a doc and realize you know as much about yourself as he will ever know. The last 8 times i have been I have been initially misdiagnosed 6, and talking about 180 degree mis-diagnosed. like go home and be dead mis-diagnosed (3). Don't assume one doc has been told what the doc told you 8 hours ago, dont assume a "continium of care" - dont assume anything. Trust your doc, but dont assume everything he says is correct. Trust your RNs, if they are RNs, but dont assume they are giving you the right meds, ask them and then question them if you think they are incorrect
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 3:08 pm to
I find it odd how many people get much more sick once they go to the hospital. I have 4 relatives in the past 5 years who have been on the brink of death because of stuff they caught in a hospital. One was hospitalized for 6 months because a doctor accidentally cut her colon open and she got a huge infection
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95778 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

You really should go to a doc and realize you know as much about yourself as he will ever know. The last 8 times i have been I have been initially misdiagnosed 6, and talking about 180 degree mis-diagnosed. like go home and be dead mis-diagnosed (3). Don't assume one doc has been told what the doc told you 8 hours ago, dont assume a "continium of care" - dont assume anything
A good doctor is one who is willing to refer to a much more knowledgeable doctor.

I recently had a son. When he was born, I asked the OB when she would be doing his circumcision. She said absolutely not. She said yes she was trained to do them and did them while a resident, but she refers all of her delivered boys to a pediatric urologist to do them.

I never once thought about it before, but I respected the hell out of her for having that consideration.
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