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Are medical errors really the third leading cause of death in this country?
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:48 pm
Background: I will be starting my residency in July, and I have to admit I find this fact to be a bit disturbing. I've heard before, based on a 1999 study, that medical errors were responsible for 100k deaths per year in the US. A new study is now claiming that number is closer to 250k, and that it's the third leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer.
What says the OT? I'm interested to hear opinions from healthcare providers and also from people who feel that they have been impacted by preventable medical errors. I have a close family member who works in medical malpractice so I hear about this topic often, and as a student myself I have seen medical errors that led to worse outcomes for patients (although none that led to a patient's demise).
If you listen to the interview in the link below, Makary says that the aviation industry has a great system in place for analyzing errors and finding solutions. It's true, in any professional field we should try to learn from our mistakes. It would be great to see medical errors discussed more openly, but fear of litigation, I think, discourages this. Admitting one's faults is difficult (and I think that's human nature), but it's especially difficult when it affects people's health. During my last two years of clinicals, I can only remember a few times where specific medical errors were discussed openly and critically, with the insistence being that we could have, and should have, done better.
From the Washington Post:
Explanation from the NYT article:
British Medical Journal article, including interview with lead author of the study Interestingly, he says the 250K estimate a very conservative estimate.
NYT Health Blog
USA Today
Washington Post
What says the OT? I'm interested to hear opinions from healthcare providers and also from people who feel that they have been impacted by preventable medical errors. I have a close family member who works in medical malpractice so I hear about this topic often, and as a student myself I have seen medical errors that led to worse outcomes for patients (although none that led to a patient's demise).
If you listen to the interview in the link below, Makary says that the aviation industry has a great system in place for analyzing errors and finding solutions. It's true, in any professional field we should try to learn from our mistakes. It would be great to see medical errors discussed more openly, but fear of litigation, I think, discourages this. Admitting one's faults is difficult (and I think that's human nature), but it's especially difficult when it affects people's health. During my last two years of clinicals, I can only remember a few times where specific medical errors were discussed openly and critically, with the insistence being that we could have, and should have, done better.
From the Washington Post:
quote:
Martin Makary, a professor of surgery at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine who led the research, said in an interview that the category includes everything from bad doctors to more systemic issues such as communication breakdowns when patients are handed off from one department to another.
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Makary’s research involves a more comprehensive analysis of four large studies, including ones by the Health and Human Services Department’s Office of the Inspector General and the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality that took place between 2000 to 2008. His calculation of 251,000 deaths equates to nearly 700 deaths a day — about 9.5 percent of all deaths annually in the United States.
Explanation from the NYT article:
quote:
Using studies published since 1999, the researchers calculated a mean rate of death from medical error. Then they applied this rate to the yearly number of hospital admissions. In this way, they estimated that an average of 251,454 deaths per year in the United States are caused by medical error. The study is in BMJ.
British Medical Journal article, including interview with lead author of the study Interestingly, he says the 250K estimate a very conservative estimate.
NYT Health Blog
USA Today
Washington Post
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:49 pm to cwil177
somebody comes in last in every class
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:49 pm to cwil177
and people think Im crazy when fast food messes up more order.
why do doctors make so much if they basically suck at their jobs
why do doctors make so much if they basically suck at their jobs
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:55 pm to cwil177
Statistics say yes. So keep drinking and texting while driving.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:58 pm to cwil177
What field are you in?
Congrats on the long white coat
Congrats on the long white coat
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:59 pm to cwil177
Congrats on surviving Med school. Now get ready for the hard part.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:01 pm to cwil177
Political board thread on this topic actually stayed on point for the most part. Check it out.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:07 pm to MSMHater
Thanks for the congrats, y'all.
Going into emergency medicine. And yeah, the hard part comes next.
I don't really look at this as a political issue so much as a health issue or societal issue. I'll go check it out though. That said, I know that there are a lot of opinionated doctors, nurses, and everyone in between that peruse the OT and was hoping to hear their inputs.
Going into emergency medicine. And yeah, the hard part comes next.
I don't really look at this as a political issue so much as a health issue or societal issue. I'll go check it out though. That said, I know that there are a lot of opinionated doctors, nurses, and everyone in between that peruse the OT and was hoping to hear their inputs.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:13 pm to cwil177
This is really an issue that the government is setting up for more intrusion. This is how they justify it. I'm in healthcare and I can guarantee you 45% of the "work" in a medical institution is related to government intrusion already. You will regret your decision to get into healthcare sooner or later and it will be because of the government and the socialist democrat party.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:15 pm to cwil177
I've been told by friends who are doctors that my dad's death could have been prevented (at least delayed for quite some time) had his doctor not dropped the ball. I'm actually a lawyer and was in law school at the time, but I was not interested in pursuing a malpractice suit; it's not like it would have brought him back. The more I think about it, I get really pissed because those doctor friends said that what ended up killing him was something a med school student would have known to check out.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:18 pm to cwil177
and there are errors of omission because you won't have time to learn all the latest things until they are mainstream and taught at your credential renewal course.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:18 pm to jchamil
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those doctor friends said that what ended up killing him was something a med school student would have known to check out.
without knowing any details, that is one of the most common Monday morning qb statements in any profession, I wouldn't let it eat at you, they might not be right and even if so, it won't change a thing, sorry for your loss
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:22 pm to 777Tiger
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that is one of the most common Monday morning qb statements in any profession,
How many professions deal with life and death daily?
I feel like people go into healthcare more for money and not to help others.
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:29 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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How many professions deal with life and d
more than a few
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I feel like people go into healthcare more for money and not to help others.
if they're doing that these days they might question their advisors
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:38 pm to 777Tiger
Go watch some of these shows(monsters inside me, etc)
It's amazing more people aren't dead by some of these morons.
Lady goes to see her Doctor, her legs have sores on them, he says it's Poison Ivy(LOLOLOL)), and of course, she continues to listen to this idiot and almost dies, because his lazy arse refused to even research her skin issues.
The more you watch these shows, u realize how fricking lazy Doctors are. Pill pushers
Father went into hospital, arm was bothering him real bad, Doctor says its Pneumonia, finally another Doctor comes in and has xrays done, and he had blockage, he was close to having a hear attack.
They put a stint in.
The other dbag kept arguing it was pneumonia, even though the lungs were fine. lol
It's amazing more people aren't dead by some of these morons.
Lady goes to see her Doctor, her legs have sores on them, he says it's Poison Ivy(LOLOLOL)), and of course, she continues to listen to this idiot and almost dies, because his lazy arse refused to even research her skin issues.
The more you watch these shows, u realize how fricking lazy Doctors are. Pill pushers
Father went into hospital, arm was bothering him real bad, Doctor says its Pneumonia, finally another Doctor comes in and has xrays done, and he had blockage, he was close to having a hear attack.
They put a stint in.
The other dbag kept arguing it was pneumonia, even though the lungs were fine. lol
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:42 pm to cwil177
You really should go to a doc and realize you know as much about yourself as he will ever know. The last 8 times i have been I have been initially misdiagnosed 6, and talking about 180 degree mis-diagnosed. like go home and be dead mis-diagnosed (3). Don't assume one doc has been told what the doc told you 8 hours ago, dont assume a "continium of care" - dont assume anything. Trust your doc, but dont assume everything he says is correct. Trust your RNs, if they are RNs, but dont assume they are giving you the right meds, ask them and then question them if you think they are incorrect
Posted on 5/5/16 at 3:08 pm to cwil177
I find it odd how many people get much more sick once they go to the hospital. I have 4 relatives in the past 5 years who have been on the brink of death because of stuff they caught in a hospital. One was hospitalized for 6 months because a doctor accidentally cut her colon open and she got a huge infection
Posted on 5/5/16 at 3:14 pm to jeffsdad
quote:A good doctor is one who is willing to refer to a much more knowledgeable doctor.
You really should go to a doc and realize you know as much about yourself as he will ever know. The last 8 times i have been I have been initially misdiagnosed 6, and talking about 180 degree mis-diagnosed. like go home and be dead mis-diagnosed (3). Don't assume one doc has been told what the doc told you 8 hours ago, dont assume a "continium of care" - dont assume anything
I recently had a son. When he was born, I asked the OB when she would be doing his circumcision. She said absolutely not. She said yes she was trained to do them and did them while a resident, but she refers all of her delivered boys to a pediatric urologist to do them.
I never once thought about it before, but I respected the hell out of her for having that consideration.
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