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re: Are Lobbyist Good Or Bad For Government?
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You don't think its out of control now? We are a county that is governed by special interest. Just look at what industries spend the most on lobbyist. Insurance for example. Do you think they are lobbying for what's best for the people's interest or their interest?
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Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:21 pm to OweO
Not bad, horrible.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:22 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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So id take every special interest group, tax the frick out of their "lobbying" costs
And you vote. Scary.
You a lefty aren't ya? you probably think lobby is a bunch of ndustry people.
Unions, education, municipalities, utilities, environmental groups all lobby.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:24 pm to OweO
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You don't think its out of control now?
Absolutely not. Sounds like a Facebook meme.
So you prefer politicians to make uninformed decisions
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Not all lobbyist are equal. If you think they are then you are naive.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:25 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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I know. So id take every special interest group, tax the frick out of their "lobbying" costs and put 100% of said tax revenue into a fund that help the entire population cotribute to campaign finance
LOL. Tax lobbying? I can tell you aren't a serious person.
quote:publicly financed campaigns are an idiotic idea AND, since you can't ban lobbying, all you end up with is public financing PLUS lobbying and campaign donations
ce - the mechanism of how that fund gets paid out can take various forms but basically put monetary power into the general populations hands as it relates to campaign finance which is subsidized by a large lobbying tax
But. The larger point is that it's idiotic to hate lobbyists. Lobbyists are literally the ONLY direct avenue for GROUPS of people to gain similar access to what rich individuals have.
Most of the biggest lobbying groups are literally the product of millions of voters banding together under over umbrella.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I know they do, and I understand what the lobbying industry is. It isnt like they are losing money by lobbying, or else they wouldn't do it.
I would tax all of them, and then put that money towards people having a similar voice for elections via campaign finance. There shouldn't be a monetary limit to having a say in politics.
ETA: I'm a conservative leaning independent who thinks our democracy is no longer representative or accessible by "the people"
I would tax all of them, and then put that money towards people having a similar voice for elections via campaign finance. There shouldn't be a monetary limit to having a say in politics.
ETA: I'm a conservative leaning independent who thinks our democracy is no longer representative or accessible by "the people"
This post was edited on 1/5/20 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:25 pm to The Spleen
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Not bad, horrible
Sigh
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:26 pm to OweO
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Not all lobbyist are equal.
Under the law and regulations, absolutely.
Soft money doesn't come from lobby. That's a Neanderthal view.
You're just very confused.
This post was edited on 1/5/20 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:27 pm to OweO
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You don't think its out of control now? We are a county that is governed by special interest
Well. Um. EVERYTHING is a special interest.
How do so many of you morons not know this?
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:28 pm to OweO
It’s bad, it gives corporations or people with money to much power or control over politicians. The politicians essentially work for the corporations or whomever gives them the most money.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:28 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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I would tax all of them
There's absolutely no rhyme or reason to tax lobby. Some is already taxed as lobbyist income.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:28 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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ETA: I'm a conservative leaning independent who thinks our democracy is no longer representative or accessible by "the people
Do you even know who the biggest lobbying groups are?
It appears you don't
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:29 pm to Ghostface_Killa
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It’s bad, it gives corporations or people with money to much power or control over politicians.
Wrong and simpleton-ish
You're confusing campaign hard and soft money with lobby.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Ok, sorry I guess I misworded what I am saying. I dont mean ti take lobbyist income.
It is more like an additional employer tax. If x group puts x money towards "lobbying", and you would identify various expenses which count, they also have to pay a large percentage on top of those expenses
It is more like an additional employer tax. If x group puts x money towards "lobbying", and you would identify various expenses which count, they also have to pay a large percentage on top of those expenses
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:30 pm to The Torch
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Explain to the group why Louisiana is the 9th leading oil producing state in the US but is broke.
Is this a trick question? An enormous proportion of LA’s population is illiterate, functionally retarded, and has no desire to find gainful employment. If there were a nationwide IQ test Louisiana would be lower than the nation average in a statistically significant way.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:30 pm to ShortyRob
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EVERYTHING is a special interest.
Yep
This is amazing. How utterly stupid the average American really is. They're just rolling talking points.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:30 pm to ShortyRob
I dont care who they are, I dont like any of them having undue influence over other players.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:32 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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It is more like an additional employer tax. If x group puts x money towards "lobbying", and you would identify various expenses which count, they also have to pay a large percentage on top of those expenses
Congratulations
You just devised a method for eliminating all access to lobbying From groups made up of non rich contributors.
Idiot
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:32 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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If x group puts x money towards "lobbying", and you would identify various expenses which count, they also have to pay a large percentage on top of those expenses
Awesome.
Your city has lobby. You pay taxes to support the lobby, so you want to charge yourself in order to have someone in your state house or in DC to represent your towns interest.
Hilarious.
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