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re: Are Lobbyist Good Or Bad For Government?
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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u're confusing campaign hard and soft money with lobby.
There isn’t a whole lot of space between the two.
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Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:34 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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I dont care who they are, I dont like any of them having undue influence over other players
ROFLMAO
EVERY issue YOU care about has some group in DC lobbying on your behalf.
You have no idea what you're talking about
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:34 pm to OweO
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This isn't a politics thread, plus you can't have a half arse normal discussion on the politics board.
I hear a whole lot of people are banned from posting on that board.
This post was edited on 1/5/20 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:34 pm to The Spleen
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There isn’t a whole lot of space between the two.
There absolutely is and it's not even close. Might educate yourself.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wrong and simpleton-ish
Did you want me to give a five point thesis statement on why I don’t like lobbyist?
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The money is directly funneled back to me. And yes, that is how I want it to work.
LA or some rich city shouldn't have more basis to lobby than a medium sized city.
And let's not pretend the "non rich lobbyist" you are defending can compete with the real players and beneficiaries of the lobbying game.
LA or some rich city shouldn't have more basis to lobby than a medium sized city.
And let's not pretend the "non rich lobbyist" you are defending can compete with the real players and beneficiaries of the lobbying game.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:36 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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I dont care who they are, I dont like any of them having undue influence over other players.
Both sides of any debate has lobby playing be the same rules.
What's less regulated is campaign finance.
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LA or some rich city shouldn't have more basis to lobby than a medium sized city.
Yet you want to make it more expensive and price the little guy out.
Brilliant!
This post was edited on 1/5/20 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:37 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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The money is directly funneled back to me.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:37 pm to ShortyRob
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You just devised a method for eliminating all access to lobbying From groups made up of non rich contributors.
Boom.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Both lobbying and campaign finance need major, structural, changes. I also see then as very interconnected given the big players in both
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Without Lobbying, your Congressman will still take EVERY call from Fortune 500 CEOs as well as every call from other powerful individuals.
But. Every individual who contributes to everything from AARP, to planned Parenthood, to Right to Life, to the NRA, to Anti Gun lobbying groups etc etc would create to have any real daily access
Genius!!!!!
But. Every individual who contributes to everything from AARP, to planned Parenthood, to Right to Life, to the NRA, to Anti Gun lobbying groups etc etc would create to have any real daily access
Genius!!!!!
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The question was what I would do. I would put the revenue in a mechanism that funnels it directly go the people / me to contribute to campaigns.
So yes, it comes back to me
So yes, it comes back to me
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:40 pm to ShortyRob
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Without Lobbying, your Congressman will still take EVERY call from Fortune 500 CEOs as well as every call from other powerful individuals.
Correct. Without lobby, the system will definitely favor big money.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Might educate yourself.
He’s equally ignorant on foreign affairs as well.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
That's why the lobbying tax money goes to the people to contribute to campaign finance, so the fortune 500 CEOs aren't the only "campaign finance game" in town so to speak.
Tl;dr. Lobbying fees help subsidize a mechanism which helps wash out the influence of big money donors. The populations profits
Tl;dr. Lobbying fees help subsidize a mechanism which helps wash out the influence of big money donors. The populations profits
This post was edited on 1/5/20 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:42 pm to tigercross
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Is this a trick question? An enormous proportion of LA’s population is illiterate, functionally retarded, and has no desire to find gainful employment. If there were a nationwide IQ test Louisiana would be lower than the nation average in a statistically significant way.
So you are making assumptions? You do realize the type of you describe live all over?
Oklahoma is the meth capital of the US (i really don't know if that's true). Cartels from Mexico have four drop-off points in Oklahoma because its a medium for the drop off and the runners. Because of that (and once the cartels started manufacturing meth), it is easy for deals to get it and sell in Oklahoma. Meth is an issue through the entire state..
My point is. You think all of those people are go getters trying to build wealth? You say it as if Louisiana is the only state that has dumbass people who don't want to find gainful employment.
In fact, Alaska, Mississippi, DC, New Mexico and West Virginia all have a higher unemployment rate than Louisiana.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:42 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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The question was what I would do. I would put the revenue in a mechanism that funnels it directly go the people / me to contribute to campaigns.
So yes, it comes back to me
So. Bottom line. You're stupid.
You literally just devised a method for eliminating the ONE method a regular person has to pool their money with like minded people to compete with individuals or singular entities trying to persuade politicians.
All so you can send your favorite candidate $100
Stupid on steroids
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:42 pm to BurningHeart
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There are nuts on both sides of the spectrum, but the middle ground people are very informed and intelligent on world matters.
It's nearly impossible to have a reasonable discussion. A reasonable post gets ignored, or sinks under the weight of trolls, shitposters, and outright lunatics. Once in a great while a good, substantive thread occurs, but very infrequently. A shame, because it could be an asset with good cultivation and moderation.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Just because it's regulated doesn't mean it's all good. Some lobbyist groups work in favor of the American people and others don't.
Ive got a dozen acquaintances who are in the game.
It's extremely regulated.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:43 pm to tigerinthebueche
These populists fail to understand their simplistic views and solutions will favor big money and give more influence to big players.
Almost every city pays a lobbyist. It's a major way to educate ignorant politicians on affairs important to them.
Almost every city pays a lobbyist. It's a major way to educate ignorant politicians on affairs important to them.
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