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re: AP: Parents begged cops to enter school as shooting unfolded. Cops refused
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:53 pm to BottomlandBrew
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:53 pm to BottomlandBrew
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I'm confused on this barricade thing. Fire codes require egress windows in all classrooms, so there had to be at least one window in addition to the door. One group goes to the door and the other group engages from the window.
You should be, unless you are reflexively looking for any angle to excuse the officers, because nothing so far has added up and the officials keep contradicting and tripping over themselves to come up with accounts of what happened and why it took 90 minutes to re-engage the killer.
Last time this happened I can recall, Parkland, it turned out to be because cops were trying to cover their tracks for acting cowardly in the situation. There might end up a completely valid explanation, but the signals aren't exactly encouraging so far.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:54 pm to BottomlandBrew
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I'm confused on this barricade thing. Fire codes require egress windows in all classrooms, so there had to be at least one window in addition to the door. One group goes to the door and the other group engages from the window.
Certainly frustrating and hard to understand. You would have thought that with 2-3 officers they would have had multiple vantage points to the classroom from different angles and likely been able to get a shot at him through a window if they couldn't breach through the door.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:55 pm to baldona
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There was not sufficient manpower at that time and their main, their primary focus was preserve any further loss of life,” Olivarez said. “So they started breaking windows around the school, and trying to rescue, evacuate children and teachers while that was going on.”
This makes no sense. If the shooter is surrounded and trapped in a classroom with people inside it, isn't the loss of life threat INSIDE the fricking classroom, as opposed to other kids and teachers that are elsewhere? It seems to me, that the kids in that classroom should be priority #1, not everyone else in the school.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:56 pm to SUB
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This makes no sense. If the shooter is surrounded and trapped in a classroom with people inside it, isn't the loss of life threat INSIDE the fricking classroom, as opposed to ? It seems to me, that the kids in that classroom should be priority #1, not everyone else in the school.
For probably too many, cops lives are priority #1
They've made this clear many a times
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:57 pm to Palmetto98
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There is no magical answer to this scenario, but could he have pulled this off with a Glock pistol?
the majority of these killers do not pick handguns for a reason
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:03 pm to SUB
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This makes no sense. If the shooter is surrounded and trapped in a classroom with people inside it, isn't the loss of life threat INSIDE the fricking classroom, as opposed to other kids and teachers that are elsewhere? It seems to me, that the kids in that classroom should be priority #1, not everyone else in the school.
It doesn't appear there were really any kids left in the classroom for most of the time. The police were evacuating the building and the suspect was barricaded inside one or 2 rooms, with everyone in those rooms believed to be dead.
I'm going to assume that a majority of the shots fired from the suspect from that point were towards the officers.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:12 pm to baldona
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It doesn't appear there were really any kids left in the classroom for most of the time. The police were evacuating the building and the suspect was barricaded inside one or 2 rooms, with everyone in those rooms believed to be dead.
Not according to kids that were there, and the assumptions of the Spec officers that eventually came in:
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"When I heard the shooting through the door, I told my friend to hide under something so he won't find us," he said. “I was hiding hard. And I was telling my friend to not talk because he is going to hear us.”
The boy and four others hid under a table that had a tablecloth over it, which may have shielded them from the shooter's view and saved their lives. The boy shared heartbreaking details about what happened in that room.
“When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cop started shooting.”
Not to mention, just making the assumption everyone is dead and no longer in need of rescue or medical assistance that time could be a factors, and those gunshots aren't additional executions, so oh well, lets just take our time, is not exactly a strong defense.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:19 pm to Bronc
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“We’re still trying to establish if that classroom was locked, and if it was locked, was there some type of barricade, was there some type of locking mechanism that did not allow those officers to make entry,” he said.
How did you conclude that the cops barricaded him in the classroom from this statement?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:21 pm to SUB
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If the shooter is surrounded and trapped in a classroom with people inside it, isn't the loss of life threat INSIDE the fricking classroom, as opposed to other kids and teachers that are elsewhere? It seems to me, that the kids in that classroom should be priority #1, not everyone else in the school.
It's very likely that the kids in the classroom with the shooter were already dead.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:24 pm to OMLandshark
That’s a bit far even for you bro. Maybe we need to stop treating cops as some shield against evil and realize that we all must be swords against it
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:25 pm to Palmetto98
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This doesn’t change anything
Goddamn this generation...
Your kid is trapped inside, and you're going to chill outside because you're afraid it doesn't change anything. I pray you never procreate.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:26 pm to UpToPar
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How did you conclude that the cops barricaded him in the classroom from this statement?
DPS spokesman has made two conflicting statements so far.
Initially he said the gunman barricaded himself, then they contained and barricaded him, then another poster linked that he he was back to the initial claim.
Another spokesman for the DPS an hour or so ago is now taking an either/or position and they are investigating further the sequence of events.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:26 pm to OMLandshark
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Honestly I do think we should bring back public hangings for cowardly cops who won’t intervene in school shootings. Make it as public as possible, dig up everything you can on the cop and humiliate him as much as humanly possible in the media over the course of a month or two and then finally put him out of his misery. The next cop caught up in a similar situation who remembers that will know there are only one of three options: A) He goes in, shoots or captures the shooter, and comes out a hero. B) He dies the hero being shot by the shooter. C) He dies a coward months later and will be reviled forever.
I’m sure there will be a waiting list to sign up for this job for 50k a year.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:27 pm to Bronc
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DPS spokesman has made two conflicting statements so far.
You have made your definite decisions based on incomplete information.
That's just retarded.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:27 pm to Palmetto98
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here is no magical answer to this scenario, but could he have pulled this off with a Glock pistol?
I think most would agree an AR-15 is easier to accurately shoot with not much training. At close range like a classroom it probably does not make much difference. It would be to the shooter advantage to have a rifle once he has barricaded himself.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:29 pm to UpToPar
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It's very likely that the kids in the classroom with the shooter were already dead.
Again, just look above your post, survivor testimony contradicts this and the police didnt believe it either.
And if they did, that is horrendous. To just assume, oh well, cant verify, lets assume dead, take our time and ignore the ongoing gunfire may be indicative of executions and treat this as no longer time sensitive.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:29 pm to Bronc
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There might end up a completely valid explanation
After hours of calling out people for posting this, you post this.
Amazing
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:30 pm to Bronc
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DPS spokesman has made two conflicting statements so far.
It could very well be that both are true. Two initial officers may have approached the classroom door and realized that it was locked/barricaded (by the shooter). It sounds like they tried to establish communications with students in an adjoining classroom at which point the shooter entered that classroom through the adjoining door and shot the student that cried for help. According to the student report, the cops entered the adjoining classroom at this point and exchanged gun fire with the shooter, likely resulting in the shooter retreating back into the initial class. It's likely at this point the cops evacuated the students from the adjoining room and they may have attempted to barricade the door between the two classrooms.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:30 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I think most would agree an AR-15 is easier to accurately shoot with not much training. At closes range like a classroom it probably does not make much difference.
True. In a classroom it's not an advantage at all.
When you get in open ground its an advantage.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:34 pm to Bronc
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Again, just look above your post, survivor testimony contradicts this and the police didnt believe it either.
No it doesnt. Here's the statement:
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"When I heard the shooting through the door, I told my friend to hide under something so he won't find us," he said. “I was hiding hard. And I was telling my friend to not talk because he is going to hear us.”
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“When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cop started shooting.”
It sounds like the survivor was in an adjoining classroom, not the classroom with the shooter.
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ignore the ongoing gunfire may be indicative of executions
I don't think they did this at all. If so, they would have ignored the gunfire from the adjoining classroom. Your quoted statement above says that they barged in the room when they heard the shot and exchanged fire.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 1:36 pm
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