re: AP: Parents begged cops to enter school as shooting unfolded. Cops refused

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Its confusing to me as well.

School by me, every entrance is locked, and the main office looks out onto the main entrance and has an intercom system in place for anyone attempting to enter. I get that it isn't 100% secure, but if it can buy the school a couple minutes, that can go a LONG way in saving lives.

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Absolutely agree. It’s at the very least a standard in a lot of school districts that have been in place for decades.

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This is what’s most bizarre to me. I can remember having doors at school 30 years ago that were outside locked even during school hours and you had to access from the front entrance.

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In one of these threads, someone mentioned that there was some sort of end of the year parents event either scheduled or that had already happened. Could explain why the doors weren’t secure.

They probably got separated from their cars before the shooting started or something. I can't imagine anybody not grabbing a long arm if they KNEW there was a gunfight coming. I've always thought that every officer had a shotgun in his car, and these days most had both a shotgun and rifle.

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They grabbed the shotguns but the pistols were better for engaging the POS in a long hallway?

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May have had bean bags loaded or some shite too. My guess is the first two got out of their cars NOT expecting to get in a gun fight.

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Corroborating eyewitness reports is exactly how we establish facts in situations like this

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Correct. And there are about 10 local state and federal agencies doing just that.

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And fact is, reports like this only add additional questions about the behavior of the police in this situation, since, this officer essentially got a child killed by telling the kids to yell out and the killer was able to walk to the location of the child and kill him.

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Which is exactly why it’s pointless to speculate based purely on what eyewitnesses say. They are generally very very unreliable, especially on timing.

You seem to want to accept everything from witnesses and parents as truth, but reject anything put out so far from officials. I get the natural distrust, but why not just wait on an official version of events? You’re applying the smell test to something that isn’t ripe for smelling yet.

If there was abject cowardice or misconduct, it will be addressed. It was addressed in Parkland with Broward SO. Same will happen here if that is the case.

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But when it is - it's perfect. At 50 feet - or less -I'd take it over anything else. It can literally almost cut a thing in half.

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Its a little more forgiving at close range than a pistol, for sure.

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It can literally almost cut a thing in half.

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Yea, including the kids they were in there to try and save.

Your cop friend doesn’t know anything more about the situation that you or I. Active shooter training and tactics have been just about public knowledge for 30 years

Duh, everyone is confused. Duh, there are a lot of questions.

No one has put together even preliminary answers yet. There is no official timeline to scrutinize. Just bits and pieces. Until that happens, automatically presuming that the event was the result of cowardice and misconduct is premature. There simply are possible reasonable alternatives, as I had tried to point out.

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any time someone raises suspicion you have been right there to try and rationalize on behalf of the cops,

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Cops aren't there to protect. Thats your job. Cops are there to arrest the perp afterwards.

Your self protection is 100% on you. Dont trust government to protect you, they can't.

Expecting a fireman to run into a burning building is too much imo

Expecting a teacher to teach is too much imo.

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There is no official timeline to scrutinize.

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Again, the broad timeline was established by the Texas officer in yesterdays press conference, and additional information has come into focus since through local reporting and the AP.

The suspect shot his grandma, posted on Facebook, drove a car, crashed into a ditch near the school, was engaged by a on site officer, who did not stop him, entered the rear of the school, two officers arrived, exchanged gunfire, officer(s) were injured and retreated. The killer found his way to adjoined classrooms and occupied the space. Frustrated parents outside demanded cops take action, they did not. 90 minutes later a team of special force operatives from the border patrol reengaged into the building and killed the suspect. According to multiple eyewitness testimony, the shooter was still active into the 90 minute mark and a request for signaling from an agent got another kid killed.