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re: Anyone know of Saint George's progress
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:42 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:42 am to TheCaterpillar
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I understand why people want to break off. Its just me saying that if St. George breaks off, Baton Rouge wouldn't just slowly fail, it would completely break down and turn in to Jackson, MS.
That's why i said, i don't understand that argument, from a logical perspective. Better we all go down with the ship slowly, than some of us jump off and build a better ship?
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And LSU would be severely effected.
How so? Not debating, genuinely asking. Funding would be the same. Kids from the st. george area would still go there.
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:43 am to tom
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It wouldn't. Madison has very restrictive zoning designed specifically to keep the undesirables out. St George is a mostly unplanned free-for-all. If St George schools are actually that much better initially, the undesirables are simply going to move to St George.
That's true too. Never thought of that.
Madison's Mayor is a fricking Nazi.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:43 am to volod
You make very good points. Somewhere it transformed into a movement that demands more than equality.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:44 am to TeddyPadillac
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A part of the city of Baton Rouge doesn't want to be part of the city of Baton Rouge. the City of Baton Rouge gets to decide the fate of this new proposed city breaking away from it's city.
You're mistaken. Only the citizens within the proposed boundaries would vote on it. Same as when Central was incorporated in '05.
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No one that sends there kid to a private school will now send their kid to a public school in St. George.
Disagree. There are plenty of middle class people in south BR living paycheck to paycheck in order to pay private school tuition who would prefer to send them to a viable public school district. Obviously there's no guarantee that a St. George school district would be that, but look at Redemptorist - the closure of that school has been largely attributed to the development of the Central and Zachary school districts.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:44 am to tom
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St George is a mostly unplanned free-for-all.
Have you not seen the zoning of proposed ST. George? Now this go around, i'm unsure of what it will entail, but i assume it will be along the same border lines.
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If St George schools are actually that much better initially, the undesirables are simply going to move to St George.
No they won't. The undesirables don't care about education. If they did they would have all fled to Dutchtown. That school still seems to be outperforming most in the state.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:49 am to tom
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It wouldn't. Madison has very restrictive zoning designed specifically to keep the undesirables out. St George is a mostly unplanned free-for-all. If St George schools are actually that much better initially, the undesirables are simply going to move to St George.
This makes no sense whatsofrickingever. The element of society that is willing to pull up stakes and relocate their family so their children can get a better education are the engaged parents that give a shite. That's EXACTLY what you want entering your school system. What makes them undesirable, David Duke?
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 9:50 am
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:50 am to tom
lets do it. All in for City of St George. Will definitely win now!
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:56 am to BugAC
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Have you not seen the zoning of proposed ST. George?
I meant that the zoning in the past has been inadequate. There are already section 8 apartment buildings and cheap neighborhoods in what would become St George. Madison put all of their restrictions into place before that sort of stuff was widely built.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:58 am to BugAC
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That's why i said, i don't understand that argument, from a logical perspective. Better we all go down with the ship slowly, than some of us jump off and build a better ship?
I don't think BR is failing. It has improved in a ton of ways in the last 5 years. Downtown is much, MUCH better. They are redoing the River Road corridor by LSU, the area near the Overpass is pretty damn cool now, etc.
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How so? Not debating, genuinely asking. Funding would be the same. Kids from the st. george area would still go there.
If the housing, infrastructure, crime, etc. around LSU becomes decrepit, parents are not going to send their kids there. Especially out of state kids who pay out state tuition. If Baton Rouge becomes a massive shithole, enrollment will suffer, especially enrollment from top students who have options.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:04 am to TigerstuckinMS
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The element of society that is willing to pull up stakes and relocate their family so their children can get a better education are the engaged parents that give a shite. That's EXACTLY what you want entering your school system. What makes them undesirable, David Duke?
Your insinuation is that black parents generally don't give a shite about their children. I completely disagree. A kid living in a bad neighborhood is going to have bad influences outside of the family. Any parent is going to want to take that kid away from bad influences, but that kid is not just instantly fixed by being removed from the bad influences.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:04 am to TheCaterpillar
What would happen to all those people that live near the lakes and in Southdowns? Is that in St. George?
My mom is a single school teacher that lives in a modest house in Southdowns. Her property value has gone up slightly because of the improvements near Zippy's/Galatoire's etc. (and it didn't flood). She is close to retirement and when she retires hopes to sell her house and travel.
But the value of her house collapse if the city broke off. What do we tell those people? "Sorry, you're fricked"
My mom is a single school teacher that lives in a modest house in Southdowns. Her property value has gone up slightly because of the improvements near Zippy's/Galatoire's etc. (and it didn't flood). She is close to retirement and when she retires hopes to sell her house and travel.
But the value of her house collapse if the city broke off. What do we tell those people? "Sorry, you're fricked"
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:06 am to SabiDojo
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But identity politics lost out to something deeper. Men like MLK, Jr. didn't want you to look at him and see a black man which would then determine how you should treat him. He wanted you to see a man first, a human being first. We are now at 180° away from that.
I feel like affirmative action and political correctness caused many of these attitudes. It forced everyone to have to be sensitive about race in situations that it shouldn't matter.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:07 am to Bmath
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I feel like affirmative action and political correctness caused many of these attitudes. It forced everyone to have to be sensitive about race in situations that it shouldn't matter.
100% agree.
That stuff perpetuates and deepens a racial divide by enforcing "differences" between people. Its ridiculous.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:08 am to tom
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I meant that the zoning in the past has been inadequate. There are already section 8 apartment buildings and cheap neighborhoods in what would become St George. Madison put all of their restrictions into place before that sort of stuff was widely built.
Well the upcoming vote is a yea or nae for formation of the city. I assume if the vote is passed, that actual city planning would happen, laws/restrictions would be drawn up, appointments and elections would happen. This vote is simply to allow us the option of starting our own city. It will be a lot of hard work, but if done properly, would be greatly successful, IMO.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:10 am to TheCaterpillar
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But the value of her house collapse if the city broke off. What do we tell those people? "Sorry, you're fricked"
Again, better to let the ship go down with all of us, rather than some of us? Why not let the people of the incorporated area start their own school district and none of this would be an issue? BR forced SG's hand. Now we want to make our lives better. What the people in BR do is their business.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:11 am to volod
Your first ever thread that makes sense.
Congrats, there is hope for you yet!
Congrats, there is hope for you yet!
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:18 am to BugAC
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Again, better to let the ship go down with all of us, rather than some of us? Why not let the people of the incorporated area start their own school district and none of this would be an issue? BR forced SG's hand. Now we want to make our lives better. What the people in BR do is their business.
Why not keep fighting for the school district instead of taking your ball and going home?
And again, its your opinion the ship is going down.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 10:19 am
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:19 am to Brummy
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You're mistaken. Only the citizens within the proposed boundaries would vote on it. Same as when Central was incorporated in '05.
good to know. didn't realize that.
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There are plenty of middle class people in south BR living paycheck to paycheck in order to pay private school tuition who would prefer to send them to a viable public school district
Yeah i'd prefer to be able to send my kid to a public school, instead of paying $1,000 in taxes for public schools, and $15,000 for my two kids to go to private school, but regardless of what happens with all of this, i'd still never in a million years send my kid to a public school in this state, and i'm sure the majority that already send their kids to private school feel the same way.
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but look at Redemptorist - the closure of that school has been largely attributed to the development of the Central and Zachary school districts.
No, it closed b/c the people that live around there, don't pay to send their kid to private school, and the people that do pay to send their kids to private school, wouldn't bother having to drive through that part of town to send their kids to school. It is literally in one of the worst parts of this city. There are still kids from Central and Zachary that attend private schools, they just send them to Catholic, and Parkview, are other private schools that aren't in the middle of one of the most populous murder areas in the country.
Also, almost half the students that were there when it closed, had their tuition paid through public vouchers, and the school was getting grades of F on their testing.
You know exactly why that school closed, and it isn't b/c of Central and Zachary being better public school systems.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:20 am to TheCaterpillar
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Why not keep fighting for the school district instead of taking your ball and going home?
Because we've been effectively silenced. You think the group of tards in the metro council is going to change their mind?
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And again, its your opinion the ship is going down.
You are the one stating that BR is going to turn into Jackson, MS. Did you not say that in a negative way? You even posted that you are worried about your mom not being able to sell her house if SG forms because BR will fail.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:22 am to volod
Oh my god I agree with a volod thread...
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