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re: Anyone have suggestions on dealing with canine cancer

Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:36 pm to
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:36 pm to
Dig a hole
Posted by lsewwww
Member since Feb 2009
382 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:45 pm to
Lymphoma:
There are dogs that defy odds and will go into remission for 3 years
There are dogs where it is just an expensive 6 months of prolonging things.
No one knows what your dog will do but the average is 1 year survival.

Still need to confirm and stage the diagnosis b/c pathologists are humans too from time to time.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
67017 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:48 pm to
I know of a a German shepherd that was told he has cancer, but nearly a year later, no ill effects yet. Let's hope yours will be the same.
But, I've had several pets that had "cancer" or whatever you'd call it in pets. And it is frustrating to see them lose a bunch of weight and becoming lethargic.

Best of luck with your dog.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45428 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:50 pm to
Your best bet is steroids until you think he isn’t comfortable. Then put him down.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:51 pm to
My 9 year old yellow lab got lymphoma like 10 years ago. Had a little golden retriever in him. Beautiful dog. Got him as a little pup when I was 9 so he was my dude growing up. Best and most loyal dog ever.

We caught it too late, and he deteriorated quickly from when we discovered it, so the vet said any treatment might just give him prolonged pain before he died. I drove back from Knoxville and took him to the vet again. He was in a lot of pain and I felt terrible for him so I asked the vet if we could give him something to let him take a peaceful, final nap.

Sometimes you gotta do what's right for the dog.

Sad af bros.
Posted by TideSaint
God's country
Member since Sep 2008
85242 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:02 pm to
I have one now that's getting close to euthanasia.

We removed a cyst from her face a week ago and she's been lethargic since then. She's 11 years old.

I told the wife the surgery was unnecessary, but she insisted.

I think the anaesthesia accelerated her deterioration.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
26348 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:29 pm to
How much $$ will this run you?
Posted by AncientTiger
Mississippi- Louisiana - Destin
Member since Sep 2016
2104 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:34 pm to
Our 6 year old has lymphoma too. We chose steroids & 60 days later he is still doing great. Quality of life is better than quantity, at least in our minds. Best of luck to you -
Posted by ArchiTiger
Member since Jan 2004
640 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:37 pm to
I’m sorry to read that, Tide.

I think the anticipation of the inevitable will be the toughest part of the kids....and wife beyond the actual day he goes down. He’s been an inside dog and my wife works from home...so they have definitely bonded.
Posted by ArchiTiger
Member since Jan 2004
640 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:40 pm to
That’s very reassuring, Ancient. I know from reading and a few posts here that all dogs respond differently, but this thread has provided us with some hope where we didn’t see any before I posted.

And I definitely agree...quality over quantity.

Again, many thanks to you all.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50859 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:51 pm to
if it's a friable tumor you can treat the dog with yunnan baiyao
you can get it at any Asian market

it extended my dogs life for several months after the vet said it was hopeless
Posted by TideSaint
God's country
Member since Sep 2008
85242 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

I’m sorry to read that, Tide.

I think the anticipation of the inevitable will be the toughest part of the kids....and wife beyond the actual day he goes down. He’s been an inside dog and my wife works from home...so they have definitely bonded.


It's tough brother.

You bring these babies into your home and they become a part of your family. Seeing them go is hard and painful.

My girl has been there for us for over a decade and I know my wife is going to be crushed when she's gone. My kids too.

I've kept my suspicions on her upcoming demise to myself so I won't upset everyone else. I actually held her for a long time after everyone was asleep last night because I know the end is near.

It fricking sucks.

Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
291690 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:55 pm to
my pointer had to be put down from it last year. He was 10yrs old. They diagnosed and we did the steroid thing over chemo. His quality of life was good for about 8 months post diagnosis. The months 9-10 were off and on. Some good days, some bad. Finally had to put him down after about a year. Stopped eating, was having trouble getting around. The mass on his neck had grown to near baseball size. He wasnt comfortable
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:57 pm to
It's a dog

Go get another one.

It will shite in the yard/house just like the one before it.

Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:59 pm to
LSU Vet School, best bet
Posted by TideSaint
God's country
Member since Sep 2008
85242 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:18 pm to
quote:

It's a dog


Yeah. They aren't called man's best friend for nothing.

quote:

Go get another one.


We have another one. It'll be just as painful when he goes. I have three kids aged 13, 11 and 10. How do you think they are going to take it?

quote:

t will shite in the yard/house just like the one before it.


I'd rather she take a shite on your face you worthless son of a bitch, but we don't always get what we want.
Posted by TigerDL
Member since Nov 2017
150 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 10:04 pm to
I’ll start by saying I’m so sorry you have to deal with this. It’s not fair to you or the dog...but unfortunately that’s life. As someone who knows a lot about lymphoma and chemotherapy, I’d tell you first and foremost that the subtype of lymphoma, first Hodgkin’s vs. non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma (NHL) then if NHL, the subtype (follicular, diffuse large B cell lymphoma, mantle cell, marginal zone etc. ) is incredibly important for prognostic information. Aggressive subtypes with high cell turnover will have a lower survival in general than the more indolent subtypes. There is some nuance to this.

That being said, in humans, the curable lymphomas are actually the aggressive lymphomas and the slower growing ones are incurable but still highly treatable for years. Aggressive lymphomas have cure rares of >50% in general pending important molecular testing information.

Chemotherapy for humans for lymphoma is generally very tolerable. That’s not to say it isn’t difficult. The thing about humans is that they can tell you symptoms. Sometimes intense nausea is worse than vomiting and the only way you may know if your dug is nauseous is if they vomit. Headaches come along with anti nausea meds and pups won’t be able to tell you that. The list goes on and on and that’s my concern.

If it were me, I’d get all of the information regarding subtype and stage of lymphoma to make a decision. I’d lean towards steroids for therapy if needed and avoid chemotherapy. They are appetite stimulating and antiinflammatory and generally make people feel quite good which is why they want them when they have an infection at urgent care. Steroids are part of virtually all chemotherapy combinations used to treat aggressive lymphomas. In humans, sometimes observation is very appropriate for low grade slow growing lymphomas in which case you may be able to forego steroids for some time.

Again sorry for this difficult issue during the holiday season. I hope things get better for you and the family.
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