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re: Anyone believe Jim Garrison’s JFK assassination conspiracy?

Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:11 am to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:11 am to
Lou Ivon, one of the investigators on Garrison's investigation went to his grave believing they were onto something.....said the files of the Warren Commission investigation would never be opened for 100 years.
Posted by Big Sway
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:12 am to
Had a drink long ago at Labouchrie in the Quarter with Jim Garrison. Regret not bringing it up. He was one bug eyes stressed out looking man.
Posted by Akit1
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 9:17 pm to
I like this quote by author/journalist Norman Mailer.

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It is virtually not assimilable to our reason that a small lonely man felled a giant in the midst of his limousines, his legions, his throng and his security. If such a nonentity destroyed the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, then a world of disproportion engulfs us, and we live in a universe that is absurd.
Posted by NikolaiJakov
Moscow
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:40 pm to
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Read "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. Logically, systematically, clearly refutes every conspiracy theory. PS: Jim Garrison was a nut


And when you're done with that, read "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi. I was an avid believer in conspiracy until I read it.

Posted by Nobelium
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 2:25 pm to
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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 10:01 pm to
Related:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/01/25/kennedy-king-malcolm-x-relatives-scholars-seek-new-assassination-probes/?utm_term=.10f7ced85873

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Kennedy, King, Malcolm X relatives and scholars seek new assassination probes Their letter calls for a Truth and Reconciliation Committee on the JFK, RFK, MLK and Malcolm X slayings

By Tom Jackman
January 25
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Joined by relatives of Robert F. Kennedy, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, a group of more than 60 authors and investigators have called for a new congressional investigation into the assassinations of the three men and President John F. Kennedy, saying that the four slayings were not resolved and “had a disastrous impact on the course of American history.” In a public statement, they demanded a public tribunal modeled on South Africa’s “Truth and Reconciliation” process to persuade either Congress or the Justice Department to revisit all four assassinations.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and former Maryland lieutenant governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (D), two of Robert Kennedy’s children, signed the statement, as did Isaac N. Farris, a nephew of King and former president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and the Rev. James M. Lawson Jr., a Memphis pastor and mentor to King. It is also supported by G. Robert Blakey, the chief counsel of the former House Select Committee on Assassinations; Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg; Robert McClelland, the doctor who worked on President Kennedy after his 1963 shooting in Dallas


https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/02/09/cia-may-have-used-contractor-who-inspired-mission-impossible-kill-rfk-new-book-alleges/?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.062f0adbd455


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CIA may have used contractor who inspired ‘Mission: Impossible’ to kill RFK, new book alleges Was Robert Maheu, an aide to Howard Hughes, responsible for Bobby Kennedy’s assassination?

By Tom Jackman
February



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Robert A. Maheu was such a colorful character that it’s widely believed the television show “Mission: Impossible” was based on him and his private investigative agency. As an ex-FBI agent, the CIA asked him to handle jobs it wanted to steer clear of, such as lining up prostitutes for a foreign president or hiring the mafia to kill Fidel Castro. For more than 15 years, Maheu and his Washington-based company were on monthly retainer to “The Agency,” CIA records show. And during much of that time, Maheu was the right-hand man to Howard Hughes as Hughes bought up vast swaths of Las Vegas and helped finance CIA operations.

Now, a new book alleges that Maheu may have performed another mission for the CIA: the assassination of Sen. Robert F. Kennedy (D-N.Y.).


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A spokeswoman for the CIA declined to comment on the book’s allegations, though she acknowledged that Hughes did finance some CIA operations. Maheu would have had access to the CIA’s experiments in hypnosis and mind control, which were being conducted at the time in California and elsewhere. That would have enabled him to frame Sirhan Sirhan as a patsy for the slaying of Kennedy, while other gunmen actually fired the fatal shots, argues author Lisa Pease, who spent 25 years researching her book, “A Lie Too Big to Fail."


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Pease is not the first person to link the CIA to the June 1968 assassination of Kennedy, in the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. Sirhan’s lawyers in 2010 accused the CIA of hypnotizing Sirhan and making him “an involuntary participant.” The agency may have feared Kennedy because he opposed the CIA’s expansive use of power and would have pressed the agency for answers in the assassination of his brother, President John F. Kennedy, five years earlier, Pease theorizes.


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At the same time, the CIA was experimenting with programs such as “Bluebird” and “Project MKUltra,” tests on unwitting people to see whether their minds could be manipulated by drugs, torture or hypnosis. Colleges, hospitals, prisons and pharmaceutical companies participated in the project, records revealed in the 1970s showed, with the CIA hoping to be able to manipulate foreign leaders and other important figures, or program others to commit acts of espionage.


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An expert in hypnosis from Harvard Medical School, Dan Brown, began meeting with Sirhan in 2008 and found him not only easily hypnotized, but also still easily triggered to re-create aggressive shooting moves out of nowhere. Brown submitted affidavits for Sirhan’s appeal stating that he believed Sirhan was an actual “Manchurian Candidate,” manipulated to perform bad acts against his will.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 10:17 pm to
Statement from the petition:

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKstatement.htm

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* We call upon Congress to establish continuing oversight on the release of government documents related to the presidency and assassination of President John F. Kennedy, to ensure public transparency as mandated by the JFK Records Collection Act of 1992. The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform should hold hearings on the Trump administration's failure to enforce the JFK Records Act.

* We call for a major public inquest on the four major assassinations of the 1960s that together had a disastrous impact on the course of American history: the murders of John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy. This public tribunal, shining a light on this dark chapter of our history, will be modeled on the Truth and Reconciliation process in post-apartheid South Africa. The inquest -- which will hear testimony from living witnesses, legal experts, investigative journalists, historians and family members of the victims -- is intended to show the need for Congress or the Justice Department to reopen investigations into all four assassinations.

* On Martin Luther King Jr. Day, we call for a full investigation of Reverend King's assassination. The conviction of James Earl Ray for the crime has steadily lost credibility over the years, with a 1999 civil trial brought by Reverend King's family placing blame on government agencies and organized crime elements. Following the verdict, Coretta Scott King, the slain leader's widow, stated: "There is abundant evidence of a major, high-level conspiracy in the assassination of my husband." The jury in the Memphis trial determined that various federal, state and local agencies "were deeply involved in the assassination … Mr. Ray was set up to take the blame." Reverend King's assassination was the culmination of years of mounting surveillance and harassment directed at the human rights leader by J. Edgar Hoover's FBI and other agencies.

* We call for a full investigation of the Robert F. Kennedy assassination case, the prosecution of which was a mockery of a trial that has been demolished by numerous eyewitnesses, investigators and experts -- including former Los Angeles County Coroner Dr. Thomas Noguchi, who performed the official autopsy on Senator Kennedy. The forensic evidence alone establishes that the shots fired by Sirhan Sirhan from in front of Senator Kennedy did not kill him; the fatal shot that struck RFK in the head was fired at point–blank range from the rear. Consequently, the case should be reopened for a new comprehensive investigation while there are still living witnesses -- as there are in all four assassination cases.


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1. As the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded in 1979, President John F. Kennedy was probably killed as the result of a conspiracy.
2. In the four decades since this Congressional finding, a massive amount of evidence compiled by journalists, historians and independent researchers confirms this conclusion. This growing body of evidence strongly indicates that the conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy was organized at high levels of the U.S. power structure, and was implemented by top elements of the U.S. national security apparatus using, among others, figures in the criminal underworld to help carry out the crime and cover-up.
3. This stunning conclusion was also reached by the president's own brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, who himself was assassinated in 1968 while running for president - after telling close aides that he intended to reopen the investigation into his brother's murder if he won the election.
4. President Kennedy's administration was badly fractured over his efforts to end the Cold War, including his back-channel peace feelers to the Soviet Union and Cuba and his plan to withdraw U.S. troops from Vietnam after the 1964 presidential election.
5. President Kennedy has long been portrayed as a Cold War hawk, but this grossly inaccurate view has been strongly challenged over the years by revisionist historians and researchers, who have demonstrated that Kennedy was frequently at odds with his own generals and espionage officials. This revisionist interpretation of the Kennedy presidency is now widely embraced, even by mainstream Kennedy biographers.
6. The official investigation into the JFK assassination immediately fell under the control of U.S. security agencies, ensuring a cover-up. The Warren Commission was dominated by former CIA director Allen Dulles and other officials with strong ties to the CIA and FBI. 7. The corporate media, with its own myriad connections to the national security establishment, aided the cover-up with its rush to embrace the Warren Report and to scorn any journalists or researchers who raised questions about the official story.
8. Despite the massive cover-up of the JFK assassination, polls have consistently shown that a majority of the American people believes Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy -- leading to the deep erosion of confidence in the U.S. government and media.
9. The CIA continues to obstruct evidence about the JFK assassination, routinely blocking legitimate Freedom of Information requests and defying the JFK Records Collection Act of 1992, preventing the release of thousands of government documents as required by the law.
10. The JFK assassination was just one of four major political murders that traumatized American life in the 1960s and have cast a shadow over the country for decades thereafter. John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy were each in his own unique way attempting to turn the United States away from war toward disarmament and peace, away from domestic violence and division toward civil amity and justice. Their killings were together a savage, concerted assault on American democracy and the tragic consequences of these assassinations still haunt our nation.
Posted by djmicrobe
Planet Earth
Member since Jan 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 10:53 pm to
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As other people have already said, I highly recommend reading Posner's book. He saw the movie, was all fired up to believe a conspiracy, and then decided to write the book when he realized that none of the facts backed up the conspiracy theories.


How does Posner explain the witnesses that saw a bullet hole in the front windshield. More than one said the hole looked like a front entry. (Possible 2nd shooter)
Other witnesses heard more than 3 gun shots.
Why was one person out of the entire crowd holding up an umbrella at the EXACT spot Kennedy was shot? There was a lot of footage, and no one else had an umbrella. It appears that the umbrella was used to help someone sight the target.
A second person was at the same spot holding up his hand as if to give a FIRE signal. Both men did not run away like everyone else. They slowly strolled and took seat, not far from the place JFK was shot.
How does Posner explain this?
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Since Lee Harvey Oswald was almost certainly somewhere inside the TSBD during the JFK assassination, he cannot have had anything to do with the shot or shots that were fired from in front of President Kennedy.
Nor, as it turned out, did Oswald have anything to do with any of the shots that were fired from behind the president. The Dallas police tested his skin for evidence of gunpowder residues, and discovered that there were no incriminating quantities of such residues on his right cheek.
Their finding was confirmed by the Atomic Energy Commission’s neutron activation analysis, which also demonstrated that the rifle Oswald was supposed to have used would certainly have left such deposits. In the words of an unpublished Warren Commission memo, “At best, the analysis shows that Oswald may have fired a pistol, although this is by no means certain. … There is no basis for concluding that he also fired a rifle” (Memo from Redlich to Dulles, 2 July 1964, Investigation and Evidence File, RG 272, Series 12, box 4, folder 3, National Archives). For details, see Oswald’s Rifle and Paraffin Tests.
In short, Oswald almost certainly did not shoot President Kennedy from anywhere.

[quote]A fellow employee of the TSBD, Carolyn Arnold, claimed to have seen Oswald on either the first or second floor at the same time as the gunman was seen on the sixth floor.
It has been claimed that a well–known photograph shows Oswald standing on the front steps of the TSBD during the shooting, but the man in question was almost certainly Billy Lovelady, a colleague of Oswald’s. Two news films, however, show a man who may well have been Oswald, standing in the shadows of the TSBD’s main entrance; see Who Is ‘Prayer Man’?.
For a detailed account of Oswald’s movements at the time of the JFK assassination, see Howard Roffman, Presumed Guilty: How and Why the Warren Commission Framed Lee Harvey Oswald, Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 1975, pp.209ff (available online at LINK ]

There is more evidence that Oswald did NOT shoot JFK, than evidence that he did. He might have brought a gun into the TSBD, but it does not mean he shot it. He claimed he was a patsy.
How did the cops know he was in the theatre? How could he have been ID'd so quickly? It is as if they knew he would be there.
How could they link him to the gun so quickly? Did he sign his name on it, shoot it, then leave it where it could be easily found?
NONE OF THIS MAKE SENSE.
Posted by djmicrobe
Planet Earth
Member since Jan 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 12:22 am to
Why does the umbrella and hold the umbrella so high when JFK's car approaches. You don't hold it so high to keep the sun off of you.It has to be to help sight a gun. Also why is the man in front of umbrella man raising his hand?
This is a very odd combination. Umbrella man alone is odd. No one on the parade route is holding an umbrella.

What are the odds one person on the whole route has an umbrella marking the exact spot where JFK gets shot? Dude did not even run when the shots were fired. It is as if he knew the person firing the shots would not place others in jeopardy of getting shot.
Posted by FreeState
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 2/14/19 at 12:31 am to
LINK

Guy Bannister has yet to be mentioned in this conversation but adds a bit of interest to it.

Posted by djmicrobe
Planet Earth
Member since Jan 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 12:42 am to
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One memorable story featured in the video is that of a notorious figure from JFK assassination lore known as the 'Umbrella Man.'

Spotted in photos and videos from the Dealey Plaza on the fateful day of Kennedy's death, this individual caught the attention of researchers for his inexplicable possession and use of an umbrella during that sunny day.

Students of the assassination speculated that 'Umbrella Man,' as he came to be known, may have played a role in the conspiracy either acting as a signal to the shooters or that his umbrella was a clandestine weapon of some kind.

The subject of considerable conjecture and debate for 15 years, the 'Umbrella Man' was finally unmasked when Louie Steven Witt identified himself as the person in question after the House Select Committee on Assassinations called on the public for answers to the mystery.

Witt claimed that he was unaware of the furor surrounding his front row seat to history and explained that his possession of the umbrella was meant as a symbolic gesture of protest against Kennedy's father appeasing Hitler during World War II.

A subsequent investigation concluded that Witt had no role in the assassination of JFK and the 'Umbrella Man' became the answer to a trivia question rather than a sinister conspirator.


I found this "explanation". Witt (the umbrella man) claimed he was protesting JFK's father. ..at the exact same spot JFK was shot? Yeah, sure. He sat down on the sidewalk when everyone else was getting out of dodge. Others were concerned they might be shot. He showed no concern at all. Why not? He knew something because his demeanor was too calm. He never even tried to look around to see what was going on. It is as if he had no questions. His reaction was not natural.
Who protests with an umbrella?
Posted by 200MPHCOBRA
Metairie
Member since Nov 2016
426 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 5:10 am to
LINK

LBJ ducking before the shots
Posted by rallyTiger
Member since Apr 2016
867 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:14 am to
The russians and cuba knocked off jfk, the us government will just never admit it
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 6:16 am
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