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re: Anybody else following ancient aliens theories?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:07 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:07 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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Hancock has been on a series of podcasts (including Joe Rogan). Very fascinating guy
I imagine tried to tie in DMT with alien communication. Joe is a really smart, well read guy - but he tends to ramble (and you can tell it's planned rambling around certain ideas) to his guests instead of letting them give their perspective.
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:11 pm to HempHead
Hancock does not think aliens had/have a role. He argues for a lost advanced human civilization .
He does however like his psychedelics...
He does however like his psychedelics...
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:16 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Wacky, or whatever, I think it's uber-narcissistic to believe that we are the only intelligent life in the vastness of the universe. Have they been here? Who knows.
In terms of the achievements of past civilizations, I am of the thought that we have likely regressed at some point in time, and past civilizations were far more advanced than we would like to give them credit for.
UFO believers:
Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, former NASA astronaut, has claimed that aliens exist and their visits are being covered up by the United States government. Mitchell is in good company in his beliefs. Here we highlight 12 other public figures who believe that extraterrestrials may have been visiting our planet over the last 100 years.
Astronaut Gordon Cooper, wrote a letter addressed to the United Nations in 1978 asking the organization to set up a research program to study UFOs. It was in 1951 when the astronaut was driving an F-86 over Germany that he spotted saucers. He later went to space on Mercury 9 in the year 1963 and on the Gemini 5 in ’65.
President Jimmy Carter, US President from 1976 to 1980, promised while on the campaign trail that he would make public all documents on UFOs if elected. He said: "I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. I've seen one myself."
Senator Barry Goldwater, (1965) tried to gain access to a secret building at Wright-Patterson AFB rumored to house top UFO material, but is refused.
"I certainly believe in aliens in space, and that they are indeed visiting our planet. They may not look like us, but I have very strong feelings that they have advanced beyond our mental capabilities."
Walter Cronkite, one of the most trusted reporters and anchorman on TV. In the 1950s, Walter Cronkite was invited to a Pacific island with other reporters to observe an Air Force display of their new missile. As it launched, according to Cronkite, a flying object in the shape of a disc hovered in the sky. The UFO later fired a bluish beam towards the missile but it also hit an Air Force security personnel and his dog. The security guard, the dog, and the missile froze in place after the beam hit them, reports say. The reporters, in shock, were told by a colonel that the Air Force has been working on a new technology and wanted to test how people will react when they see it in action. Cronkite and other reporters were told not to report the incident.
President Harry S. Truman, Truman climbs on board: "I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth"
President John F Kennedy, "The US Air Force assures me that UFO's pose no threat to National Security."
J Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI from its inception in 1935 to 1972, said of a famous incident when flying saucers were allegedly fired at over Los Angeles in 1942: "We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the LA case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
General Nathan Twining, Chairman, Joint chiefs of staff, 1955-1958 "The UFO phenomenon being reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious"
Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a Vatican theologian, said: "Extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. The Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its embassies in various countries, such as Mexico, Chile and Venezuela."
Professor Stephen Hawking,: "Of course it is possible that UFO's really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the Government is hushing it up."
Albert M. Chop, deputy public relations director, (NASA) "I've been convinced for a long time that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Another words we are being watched by beings from outer space."
Dr. Herman Oberth, a Nazi rocket engineer who was taken to the US after the war and became one of the fathers of modern spaceflight, said: "It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are spaceships from another solar system.There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system."
Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, (Former director of the Central Intelligence Agency)"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is. I can tell you, behind the scenes, high ranking military officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs"
Douglas MacArthur, American General and Field Marshall who play a prominent role in the Pacific in WWII. In 1955, MacArthur said that “the next war will be an interplanetary war.” He added that nations of the world will have to join forces someday to fight attacks from “people from other planets.”
Dr. J Allen Hynek, director of the US Air Force's Project Blue Book investigation into UFOs, said: "When the long-awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science, but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum leap... we had a job to do, whether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited."
Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, commander of RAF Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain: "I am convinced that these objects do exist and that they are not manufactured by any nations on earth."
President Ronald Reagan, US President from 1980 to 1988, "I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said, 'Have you ever seen anything like that?' He was shocked and he said, 'nope.' And I said to him: 'Let's follow it!' We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."
Mikhail Gorbachev, the USSR's last head of state: "The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously."
President Richard Nixon, US President from 1969 to 1974: "I'm not at liberty to discuss the government's knowledge of extraterrestrial UFO's at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject."
Dr. Walther Riedel, research director at the Nazi rocket research establishment at Peenemunde: "I am completely convinced that UFOs have an out-of-world basis."
In terms of the achievements of past civilizations, I am of the thought that we have likely regressed at some point in time, and past civilizations were far more advanced than we would like to give them credit for.
UFO believers:
Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, former NASA astronaut, has claimed that aliens exist and their visits are being covered up by the United States government. Mitchell is in good company in his beliefs. Here we highlight 12 other public figures who believe that extraterrestrials may have been visiting our planet over the last 100 years.
Astronaut Gordon Cooper, wrote a letter addressed to the United Nations in 1978 asking the organization to set up a research program to study UFOs. It was in 1951 when the astronaut was driving an F-86 over Germany that he spotted saucers. He later went to space on Mercury 9 in the year 1963 and on the Gemini 5 in ’65.
President Jimmy Carter, US President from 1976 to 1980, promised while on the campaign trail that he would make public all documents on UFOs if elected. He said: "I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. I've seen one myself."
Senator Barry Goldwater, (1965) tried to gain access to a secret building at Wright-Patterson AFB rumored to house top UFO material, but is refused.
"I certainly believe in aliens in space, and that they are indeed visiting our planet. They may not look like us, but I have very strong feelings that they have advanced beyond our mental capabilities."
Walter Cronkite, one of the most trusted reporters and anchorman on TV. In the 1950s, Walter Cronkite was invited to a Pacific island with other reporters to observe an Air Force display of their new missile. As it launched, according to Cronkite, a flying object in the shape of a disc hovered in the sky. The UFO later fired a bluish beam towards the missile but it also hit an Air Force security personnel and his dog. The security guard, the dog, and the missile froze in place after the beam hit them, reports say. The reporters, in shock, were told by a colonel that the Air Force has been working on a new technology and wanted to test how people will react when they see it in action. Cronkite and other reporters were told not to report the incident.
President Harry S. Truman, Truman climbs on board: "I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth"
President John F Kennedy, "The US Air Force assures me that UFO's pose no threat to National Security."
J Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI from its inception in 1935 to 1972, said of a famous incident when flying saucers were allegedly fired at over Los Angeles in 1942: "We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the LA case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
General Nathan Twining, Chairman, Joint chiefs of staff, 1955-1958 "The UFO phenomenon being reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious"
Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a Vatican theologian, said: "Extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. The Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its embassies in various countries, such as Mexico, Chile and Venezuela."
Professor Stephen Hawking,: "Of course it is possible that UFO's really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the Government is hushing it up."
Albert M. Chop, deputy public relations director, (NASA) "I've been convinced for a long time that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Another words we are being watched by beings from outer space."
Dr. Herman Oberth, a Nazi rocket engineer who was taken to the US after the war and became one of the fathers of modern spaceflight, said: "It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are spaceships from another solar system.There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system."
Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, (Former director of the Central Intelligence Agency)"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is. I can tell you, behind the scenes, high ranking military officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs"
Douglas MacArthur, American General and Field Marshall who play a prominent role in the Pacific in WWII. In 1955, MacArthur said that “the next war will be an interplanetary war.” He added that nations of the world will have to join forces someday to fight attacks from “people from other planets.”
Dr. J Allen Hynek, director of the US Air Force's Project Blue Book investigation into UFOs, said: "When the long-awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science, but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum leap... we had a job to do, whether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited."
Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, commander of RAF Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain: "I am convinced that these objects do exist and that they are not manufactured by any nations on earth."
President Ronald Reagan, US President from 1980 to 1988, "I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said, 'Have you ever seen anything like that?' He was shocked and he said, 'nope.' And I said to him: 'Let's follow it!' We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."
Mikhail Gorbachev, the USSR's last head of state: "The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously."
President Richard Nixon, US President from 1969 to 1974: "I'm not at liberty to discuss the government's knowledge of extraterrestrial UFO's at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject."
Dr. Walther Riedel, research director at the Nazi rocket research establishment at Peenemunde: "I am completely convinced that UFOs have an out-of-world basis."
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:16 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I wonder if we have any remote viewers that have seen things on Mars?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:21 pm to kingbob
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Exactly. What of America's great cities would survive such an event today?
It'd basically be Dallas, KC, Nashville, Denver, and St. Louis. That's about it.
Guess it depends on "great" but several others would be fine. Atlanta, Chicago, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, Phoenix... Memphis would be the new mouth of the Mississippi.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:41 pm to CoachDon
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Wacky, or whatever, I think it's uber-narcissistic to believe that we are the only intelligent life in the vastness of the universe.
Maybe...maybe not.
I mean, I tend to agree...but the truth is that life (let alone advanced life) MAY BE incredibly rare. Couple that with what we understand about the vastness of space and our ability to travel in it...well, so see where I'm going?
Unless and until we have actual, testable evidence that there is life elsewhere it's purely speculation that there is. That goes double for the suggestion that this life would have visited here. It's simply not enough to say we don't know what a thing is, therefore aliens.
See...I'm not Fox Mulder. I can't stand the whole "I Want To Believe" nonsense. When you WANT to believe a thing, you'll find reasons to do so. Nope...I want to KNOW. Show me hard evidence...let's test it. If it's what it's claimed it is, I'm on board! IF it isn't, or there is no evidence to test (conspiracy theories as to the cover-up don't count btw) then I'm going to wait until there is.
I think one of the best things written about this topic was written by Carl Sagan...a guy, I think we can all agree, would have LOVED to believe in this phenomenon. Here's what he had to say on the subject...
quote:
"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!
"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon.
"Where's the dragon?" you ask.
"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."
You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.
"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."
Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.
"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."
You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.
"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.
Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved."
Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.
Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.
Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:42 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Have you ever played with blocks before? My 4 year old builds pyramid like structures all the time, b/c it doesn't take a fricking genius to realize that you make a nice big base, and then slowly work your way up decreasing the size of each levels base until you get to the peak of your building. The bigger the base, the taller the structure. My 4 year old understands this.
Have you considered the possibility that your 4 year old is an alien?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:47 pm to LSUBoo
None of those stated would survive due to the great lakes and infill of the Great Basin which would once again become a vast inland sea.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:49 pm to CoachDon
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Professor Stephen Hawking,: "Of course it is possible that UFO's really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the Government is hushing it up."
BTW...for this obvious quote mine I'm now sorry I took the time to respond as I did. Here is the full quote...in context.
quote:
Cambridge University physicist, Stephen Hawking was the guest lecturer at the second Millennium Evening at the White House on March 6, 1998. With President Bill and Hillary Clinton looking on, Stephen Hawking admitted the possibility of a UFO cover-up during the C-Span television's coverage of "Imagination and Change: Science in the Next Millennium."
Professor Stephen Hawking often considered one of brightest men on Earth, who authored "A Brief History of Time" was a guest lecturer. Stephen Hawking after comments about the growth of population and scientific knowledge stated, "Clearly the present exponential growth cannot continue indefinitely. So what will happen? One possibility is that we wipe ourselves out completely by some disaster such as a nuclear war. There is a sick joke that the reason we have not been visited by extra-terrestrials is that when a civilization reaches our stage of development it becomes unstable and destroys itself. Of course it is possible that UFO's really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the government is hushing it up I wouldn't like to comment on that. Personally I believe there is a different explanation why we have not been contacted, but I won't go into it here. However, even without that, there is a very real danger that we will kill everything on this planet now that we have the technological power to do so. Even if we don't destroy ourselves completely, there is a possibility that we might descend into a state of brutalization and barbarity like the opening scene of "Terminator"
Literally says he thinks we have not been contacted...and yet that list was compiled by "believers" and included it because his name syaing that would look impressive, despite him saying exactly the opposite.
Quote Mining 101
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:50 pm to rebeloke
when I had free cable, prior to digital, I recorded a bunch of them, then I lost interest...
the end
the end
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:55 pm to kingbob
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None of those stated would survive due to the great lakes and infill of the Great Basin which would once again become a vast inland sea.
That's not even close to true. The sea level would rise somewhere in the neighborhood of 200'. The great lakes are above that level... even parts of San Francisco would survive, although obviously not all of it. There's no amount of melting that would cause the great basin to fill up with water.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:09 pm to rebeloke
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They have found what looks like an actual Sphinx on Mars
And that's just what they've released to the public. Most of the remains of martian civilizations were destroyed during the Rover missions and covered up
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:50 pm to rebeloke
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I wonder if we have any remote viewers that have seen things on Mars?
Cydonia
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:11 pm to ManBearTiger
quote:"The Independent Parallel Development Phenomenon"
There's actually a term for that phenomenon of independent parallel development. Can't recall it atm.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:12 pm to kingbob
Atlanta, because of the piedmont
Posted on 2/11/16 at 7:29 pm to HempHead
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Some of y'all might like this : Atlantis is Real
That was an interesting read. Thx for the link
Posted on 2/11/16 at 7:31 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I only found that website the other day. Fascinating stuff and well written.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 10:37 pm to HempHead
For Once I agree with a Bama fan on something
Posted on 2/14/16 at 1:07 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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Some of y'all might like this : Atlantis is Real
That was an interesting read. Thx for the link
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