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re: Anti-vaccine advocates appointed to Minnesota autism council after measles outbreak
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:52 am to lake chuck fan
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:52 am to lake chuck fan
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If one wants to educate oneself on this topic, watch "Vaxxed", on Netflix.
Ah, no. Educate is not the right word regarding that propaganda filth. Misinform is the word you should have used. quote:
The original study that raised the issue was published in 1998 in the journal the Lancet ...by the 1998 paper’s lead author, gastroenterologist Andrew Wakefield.
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In 2010, the Lancet’s editors retracted the paper. Three months later, Britain’s General Medical Council revoked Wakefield’s medical license.
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The director of “Vaxxed” — and the main expert who appears on camera — is that same Andrew Wakefield.
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Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:56 am to LNCHBOX
I agree that the way to convince people to change their minds is to NOT belittle the reason they feel the way they feel.
The strongest anti-vax people have had something happen to their child after a vaccine. People just telling them that they are wrong or that they are just a necessary evil to attain a goal of elimination of some disease has got us in this situation.
There are doctors out there who have questioned the one size fits all schedule (not anti-vaccine at all) but are quickly labeled as anti-vax.
The strongest anti-vax people have had something happen to their child after a vaccine. People just telling them that they are wrong or that they are just a necessary evil to attain a goal of elimination of some disease has got us in this situation.
There are doctors out there who have questioned the one size fits all schedule (not anti-vaccine at all) but are quickly labeled as anti-vax.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:47 am to LNCHBOX
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At this point only a functioning retard would question the science behind vaccines, so if you find yourself doing it, don't expect much patience in the responses you get.
A product of science should be continuously questioned it is a fundamental principle, to continue to examine the effectiveness and risk of vaccines just as is done with any other drug is just good science.
" The philosopher of science Karl Popper sharply distinguished truth from certainty. He wrote that scientific knowledge "consists in the search for truth," but it "is not the search for certainty . All human knowledge is fallible and therefore uncertain."
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:48 am to STEVED00
quote:fricking LOL!
Where are those people dying bc in the US, the numbers were very different.
Do you know why those numbers are different in the US? Because of vaccines.
As someone who works in cancer research, I've got bad news for you anti-vaxxers. The future of cancer treatment is going to be *DUN-DUN-DUN*, vaccines. Oh the humanity!
Cancer Immunotherapy
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:59 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Case in point. Everyone who questions anything associated with vaccines is immediately labeled anti-vax and insults come flying. You want to create more actual anti-vaxxers, shut down any sort of discussion and force blind obedience.
Plus, I’m glad a vaccine is coming for cancer. F’ng great. If you would have read my comments and not went e-badass defensive mode immediately then you would’ve figured it out.
FYI. Also you can look up the stats on deaths due to measles prior to the vaccine and see the numbers were down to 1-2 per 100k. The vaccine eradicated the disease but modern medicine had figured out how to fight it prior to vaccine. And to be clear, I’m glad the vaccine is around bc measles f’ng sucked even though death or serious injury was rare by the end.
Plus, I’m glad a vaccine is coming for cancer. F’ng great. If you would have read my comments and not went e-badass defensive mode immediately then you would’ve figured it out.
FYI. Also you can look up the stats on deaths due to measles prior to the vaccine and see the numbers were down to 1-2 per 100k. The vaccine eradicated the disease but modern medicine had figured out how to fight it prior to vaccine. And to be clear, I’m glad the vaccine is around bc measles f’ng sucked even though death or serious injury was rare by the end.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 11:01 am
Posted on 1/28/19 at 11:02 am to EA6B
quote:And that is exactly what we do. Do anti-vaxers think this is not the case?
A product of science should be continuously questioned it is a fundamental principle, to continue to examine the effectiveness and risk of vaccines just as is done with any other drug is just good science.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 11:25 am to EA6B
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A product of science should be continuously questioned it is a fundamental principle, to continue to examine the effectiveness and risk of vaccines just as is done with any other drug is just good science.
I guess we better still test to make sure gravity is still a thing, just in case.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 11:31 am to Tigerbait357
I'm sure this thread has derailed and I'm not reading through the multitude of pages, but I don't see the issue with an alternate position having a seat, or two.
While science agrees that the anti-vaccine movement is causing tremendous harm, I'm not a fan of echo chamber committees.
While science agrees that the anti-vaccine movement is causing tremendous harm, I'm not a fan of echo chamber committees.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 11:35 am to STEVED00
quote:Pretty sure your stats are per 100k population, not measles cases. Measles was still killing about 1 in 1000 people who got it for about 20 years before the vaccine was introduced.
Also you can look up the stats on deaths due to measles prior to the vaccine and see the numbers were down to 1-2 per 100k.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 11:39 am to Golfer
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While science agrees that the anti-vaccine movement is causing tremendous harm, I'm not a fan of echo chamber committees.
If it’s causing tremendous harm per science, then having them there is only muddying up the waters.
These people are the biggest existential threat to the US above terrorism, guns, etc. It sounds dramatic, but you wouldn’t give terrorists or KKK a seat at the table would you? Are opposing views ALWAYS good?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 12:07 pm to STEVED00
quote:By saying it's not the plague, and by arguing that some vaccines like chickenpox and measles might not be necessary, or that they should be the parent or patient's decision, you are kind of undercutting the foundation of society.
Who said none of this wasn’t important? I’m saying it’s not the plague.
Bear with me.
Yes, we should have the freedom to decide what goes into our bodies, and what procedures are performed on us, just as we have the freedom to decide most everything else about our own lives. But your freedom ends where mine begins. This is the basis of law and order, and of civilized society. One person's decision to not vaccinate themselves impacts the health and safety of everyone else. The science and statistics clearly show this to be the case.
So yeah, responsible people are going to get upset when someone starts hinting that we should have the right to put others in harm's way, when the benefits of vaccines clearly outweigh the risks by orders of magnitude.
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