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re: Anti-vaccine advocates appointed to Minnesota autism council after measles outbreak

Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:03 pm to
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and is an utter anti-semite and bigot is just the beginning of their stupidity.



Sounds like she would be perfect for Trump's base.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:10 pm to
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I've read through a majority of these and it's pretty interesting to see how different these studies are from what we are told. Its sad when you actually site something from a peer reviewed website to a friend or just some random, who is 100% gung-ho for Vaccines, and they shrug it off like it isn't a legit study. That's how I know these 150 studies are kryptonite for the pro vaxxer.


Considering one of the first sources in that bullshite you posted spouts off shite about vaccines with high-levels of thimerosal, that’s all I need to know.

<——- Has a legitimate thimerosal allergy and knows most major vaccines today have little to no thimerosal in them.
This post was edited on 1/26/19 at 4:11 pm
Posted by WaltTeevens
Santa Barbara, CA
Member since Dec 2013
11583 posts
Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:11 pm to
I have a feeling Jenny McCarthy was distraught about her kid's diagnosis and was willing to listen to anything as a cause instead of entertain idea that she could possibly give birth to an autistic kid.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:13 pm to
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I have a feeling Jenny McCarthy was distraught about her kid's diagnosis and was willing to listen to anything as a cause instead of entertain idea that she could possibly give birth to an autistic kid.


That’s generally what happens.

And I get wanting to find someone to blame but the reality is we just don’t know the cause and that freaks people the frick out. I will say some of the gut microbe research with potential ties to disorders like Autism and Alzheimer’s is really interesting right now and hopefully ends up with some credence.
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
6840 posts
Posted on 1/26/19 at 5:37 pm to
But I always git the flue when I take the flu shot, so I ain't gettin it!
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 1/26/19 at 5:39 pm to
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utter anti-semite


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Trump's


Does not compute.

An antisemite would disown his daughter for marrying a Jewish man. Also wouldn't support a candidate who gave his blessing for his daughter to do so.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29054 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 12:40 am to
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How many people have been harmed by the chicken pox vaccine over the same span? You mentioned 2000 people are alive bc of it and I assume you are basing that over 20 yrs (100/yr x20). For that # to be relevant then you have to factor any serious injuries/deaths are associated with getting the vaccine.
Can you find me two cases?
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Given the ENORMOUS # of people receiving the chicken pox vaccine over 20 yrs, I would think that serious injury/death would probably be a comparable #.
Why would you think that? Is there any evidence whatsoever that people are dying from getting the chickenpox vaccine?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29054 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 12:47 am to
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since you baby is vaccinated what do you have to worry about?
Again, vaccines are not 100% effective, and for the 10% or so who get vaccinated yet are not protected from exposure to a particular disease, they have to rely on the rest of us not being dumbasses and getting ourselves and our kids vaccinated.

That's like asking if you don't drink and drive, why should you be worried about being in an alcohol-related accident? We have to hope other people aren't irresponsible assholes.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23055 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 7:25 am to
LINK

This article says between 95-98 there were 6000+ reactions called in to CDC. 4% were serious with 14 deaths. According to the article, the data was pulled from Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29054 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 5:18 pm to
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LINK

This article says between 95-98 there were 6000+ reactions called in to CDC. 4% were serious with 14 deaths. According to the article, the data was pulled from Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).



First of all, that's a link to NVIC, which is probably the most well-known anti-vax organization. They pretty much started the "vaccines cause autism" bullshite, and pretty much every claim they've ever made has been debunked.

Second, that "article" just throws numbers at you in hopes that you will draw the conclusion they want, which you apparently did.


Why do you think they only looked at data from 95-98? Probably because it fit their narrative.

Why do you think they phrased the "data" like this?
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Between March 1995 and July 1998, the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) received 6,574 reports of health problems after chickenpox vaccination.
I know why. It's to make you draw a link between health problems and the vaccine. Nevermind that they made absolutely zero effort to find a causal link. You're expected to just gloss over the very vague "health problems" phrase, and just take note that they occurred after receiving the vaccine. Just a quick glance at the actual data will show you that many of the patients had health problems before receiving the vaccine, or that the problems they had were unrelated to the disease. Go ahead, look for yourself.

Posted by EGJRock
Member since Aug 2011
24 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 6:56 pm to
Vaccines are very important, but every case is different. We vaccinated our children from day 1 and then our son had a seizure after receiving his DTAP. It was terrifying.

The Neurologist explained it pretty well to us. He said Penicillin is an amazing drug for most, but it can be lethal to others. There is a reason you have to initial for every vaccine your child receives. It is very naive to think every parent that doesn't vaccinate their child completely should be sent to a remote island. I hope you never experience what we did.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 7:02 pm to
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We should confine all the anti-vaxers to an island somewhere and get them out of the general population.


Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23055 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 7:04 pm to
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Just a quick glance at the actual data will show you that many of the patients had health problems before receiving the vaccine, or that the problems they had were unrelated to the disease. Go ahead, look for yourself.


Ok I’ll play. Care to share your data or are you just spitballing? Secondly, how many of the 2000 people that died from the chicken pox had health issues? I would bet a high # so it goes both ways.

There are serious complications to many vaccines, Chicken pox included, but they are extremely rare. That being said they probably are as rare as actually dying from the chicken pox.

I don’t want my kids getting it bc it’s a sucky disease but don’t try to paint this vaccine as the greatest accomplishment of mankind w/o any consequences. Hell it was mainly created so parents wouldn’t have to miss work with sick kids (and I’m glad they did).

This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 7:10 pm
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 7:08 pm to
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You typically don't take newborns out in public anyways, unless you're an irresponsible dumb arse. Especially baby's under 2 months old (which is when they get pumped full of poison). After that since you baby is vaccinated what do you have to worry about?




You realize that for many of these vaccines....you need more than one dose to achieve the highest % of immunity? And these doses are spaced out depending on the vaccine with the last dose given later on in childhood? Or...they don't even get the first dose until they are a year old or older?


Before you spout off your idiotic ramblings perhaps educate yourself on the subject.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 7:19 pm to
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Most (including me) research and determine WHICH vaccines are effective, necessary and safe. (our pediatrician agrees).


I doubt your pediatrician agrees.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94811 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 7:22 pm to
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And the "herd immunity" argument is bullshite.


Do tell.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 7:22 pm to
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I doubt your pediatrician agrees.


Exactly. What is really happening is the pediatrician is smiling and nodding while really thinking "what a fricking idiot". And considering establishing a mandate in their practice(many pediatricians are going this way to avoid dealing with the crazies and also to prevent placing their normal parents and patients at risk) that they will only see children that are vaccinated.

Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23055 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 7:33 pm to
I do find the medical community as a whole really gets defensive and is quick to insult when they are questioned on things.

Quick tip. You want to sway someone to your side, try to avoid cursing and throwing insults.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 7:35 pm to
We are just fed up with these people and their ridiculous notions. Kids are dying now because of them.





Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23055 posts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 7:36 pm to
Kids are dying? Is it similar to the deaths related to the tax cuts?

People just love to throw around doom and gloom is my point. Be honest, we don’t want measles outbreaks bc it’s sucks for all involved. Let’s just not confuse the measles or mumps with the freaking plague.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 7:42 pm
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