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Annual Sulla vs Marius thread
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:37 pm
Which one was in the right?
Wry complicated issue but I tend to side more with Sulla I guess. Both guys were assholes and great generals but I just feel like Sulla was the greater man.
Wry complicated issue but I tend to side more with Sulla I guess. Both guys were assholes and great generals but I just feel like Sulla was the greater man.
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Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:44 pm to athenslife101
Sulla’s actions directlybset the stage for the fall of the Republic. So, Marius.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:45 pm to athenslife101
Obviously Marius was the for the communist loving Plebs and Sulla for the rich capitalist pig Patricians. No win situation for today's snowflakes. Take both of their names from the history books and any artifacts in remembrance of them should be destroyed.
Guess that means this thread should be whacked.
Guess that means this thread should be whacked.
This post was edited on 6/9/19 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:48 pm to athenslife101
Sulla liked sex with men
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:50 pm to Philzilla2k
quote:
Sulla liked sex with men
In Antiquity, every body did.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:54 pm to athenslife101
Sulla.
Marius and Cinna forced him into marching on Rome. He was the legal consul.
Marius's actions after he became consul again justified Sulla.
Sulla was one of the greatest Romans who ever live and no, I'm not kidding.
Marius and Cinna forced him into marching on Rome. He was the legal consul.
Marius's actions after he became consul again justified Sulla.
Sulla was one of the greatest Romans who ever live and no, I'm not kidding.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:56 pm to CyrustheVirus
Actually no.
Marius represented the commercial class as did Caesar.
Sulla represented the landed aristocracy.
The head count had little say in anything and were spread across the Centuries.
Marius represented the commercial class as did Caesar.
Sulla represented the landed aristocracy.
The head count had little say in anything and were spread across the Centuries.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:56 pm to CyrustheVirus
quote:
Sulla liked sex with men
In Antiquity, every body did.
That’s what they want you to believe.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:57 pm to athenslife101
Wait. I thought Athens was your thing. Rome isn't in Athens.
This post was edited on 6/9/19 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:57 pm to athenslife101
quote:
Which one was in the right?
Fabian.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:59 pm to prplhze2000
quote:
Sulla.
Marius and Cinna forced him into marching on Rome. He was the legal consul.
Marius's actions after he became consul again justified Sulla.
Sulla was one of the greatest Romans who ever live and no, I'm not kidding.
I agree, Marius forced Sulla's actions because of his bitterness for the Senate choosing Sulla as general to fight MIthridates. Marius was trying to live off his successes in the Jugurthan War.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:59 pm to CyrustheVirus
quote:No. They didn't.
In Antiquity, every body did.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:00 pm to biglego
quote:
Fabian.
Long gone before this rivalry.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:15 pm to biglego
Marius had a gay nephew. Legionaires killed him. Marius decorated them.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:49 pm to CyrustheVirus
Well, it’s often said the Jurtha war was the start of the rivalry because Sulla at great personal risk captured Jugurtha and Marius stole the spotlight
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 12:01 am
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:54 pm to prplhze2000
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Legionaires killed him. Marius decorated them.
Homosexuality in the military has always been a huge no-no, even in highly homosexual cultures. The only group I can think of where it was in any way permissible was the Thebian Companions (150 lovers, reportedly the most elite fighting force of Ancient Greece). Otherwise it was a big no no as a huge moral killer. You can’t get men to risk their lives as easily when they’re too attached to those around them.
I was actually listening to something about the British navy with this. They said that on land, there would be gay sailors who were allowed to do whatever the duck they wanted as long as they didn’t like, get caught and no one gave a shot. But bono-sexuality on a man HMS ship was a death sentence.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:57 pm to Cold Drink
quote:
Sulla’s actions directlybset the stage for the fall of the Republic. So, Marius
Yeah, because it was Sulla that shifted the loyalty of the legionaries away from the state to the general.....
Also, Sulla tried very hard to strengthen the senate. He also forsake that Caesar would be s huge issue down the road
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:00 am to prplhze2000
quote:
Marius represented the commercial class as did
I’ve never heard this out in this way. Not saying your wrong, but everything I’ve ever read put him in the populares. Ambitious men keen to use the tribune of the plebs to gain power through passing popular laws. He certainly fits in with the Grachii brothers and with Caesar.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:09 am to athenslife101
Commercial class was not in the Senate.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:30 am to prplhze2000
Well...... it officially wasn’t. The clientele situation certainly muddied every understanding modern audiences have when looking back. The senators almost 100% got kickbacks
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