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re: And yet another pitbull killing a child story...
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:02 pm to TigerBait2008
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:02 pm to TigerBait2008
quote:Absence of an incident has no bearing whatsoever on what the actual risk was during their lives. Nobody is saying that literally 100% of pit bulls will maul their owners at some point. The entire point is that the outliers are so extreme.
we have had a pit since my kids were 4 and 5 they are now 17 and 16 and never had any issues at all. But keep living in your lil world. Its not the dog its how they are raised, and also... frick you too
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Nobody is saying that literally 100% of pit bulls will maul their owners at some point.
But several have said that 100% of pit bulls deserve to die.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:08 pm to TigerBait2008
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we have had a pit since my kids were 4 and 5 they are now 17 and 16 and never had any issues at all. But keep living in your lil world. Its not the dog its how they are raised
How many owners of pitbulls have said very similar things...AFTER they attacked a human?
Not to get too far off topic, but would you be a proponent of allowing lions, bears and tigers to be pets too? I'm sure that someone could raise them to where they wouldn't attack people, right? If so, NOT ALL of them would be bad...they would merely be a reflection of how they were raised, right?
The numbers don't lie. Pitbulls kill people, sometimes innocent and completely helpless people at no fault of their own.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:08 pm to Scooba
quote:Yes, it would clearly be a net positive if the breed were extincted.
But several have said that 100% of pit bulls deserve to die.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:10 pm to Scooba
Scooba, you seem to have some knowledge of these dogs so this is a question (not a troll at all) that I am curious about. Are pitbulls more aggressive if they are in packs? Or are they just as likely to be aggressive if they are by themselves? I'm just wondering if they sometimes "feed off of each other" in their actions?
I have no idea if this is true or not. I'm just trying to think of possible alternatives to banning them as pets completely.
I have no idea if this is true or not. I'm just trying to think of possible alternatives to banning them as pets completely.
This post was edited on 5/30/17 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:12 pm to Big Scrub TX
Well knowing my ability to raise dogs the right way, I think the risk was negligible compared to other full sized dogs even with the putt being a little more powerful, I felt their loyalty and hoe gentle they were made ups for it. I've found really well raised Pitts and less likely to show ANY aggression then other dogs who seem quicker it bark, growl, or take some protecting type posture, where with a putt you can even train the 'guard dog' out of them'
But this isn't the time place ornthresd to be debating all this
But this isn't the time place ornthresd to be debating all this
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:13 pm to Scooba
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But several have said that 100% of pit bulls deserve to die.
always better safe than sorry. World Wars have been decided on based on this motto.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:16 pm to SuperSaint
quote:Yeah, those shouldn't be let off the hook either. I'd be just fine seeing Rotties go.
I think the risk was negligible compared to other full sized dogs
quote:Again, the concern is the capacity for a pit to cause damage relative to most other breeds, not the overall aggression. As someone else mentioned - chihuauas are agressive too, it just doesn't matter.
I've found really well raised Pitts and less likely to show ANY aggression then other dogs who seem quicker it bark, growl, or take some protecting type posture, where with a putt you can even train the 'guard dog' out of them'
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:17 pm to ShoeBang
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frick pitbulls and anyone who owns them or advocates for them.
A "good, responsible" pit owner is an oxymoron IMO. No excuse in this day and age to own one when time after time people are killed by them!
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:31 pm to stampman
What if we passed a law that held dog owners responsible for the actions of their dogs? If the dog(s) kill someone...the dog owner could be tried for manslaughter?
Maybe this is already a law, I'm not sure. But if it was, it would make me think twice about owning a Pit or Rottweiler.
Maybe this is already a law, I'm not sure. But if it was, it would make me think twice about owning a Pit or Rottweiler.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:47 pm to Crusty
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Not to get too far off topic, but would you be a proponent of allowing lions, bears and tigers to be pets too? I'm sure that someone could raise them to where they wouldn't attack people, right? If so, NOT ALL of them would be bad...they would merely be a reflection of how they were raised, right?
By this argument, LSU should not be allowed to have a Tiger on campus? Are you anti MIKE?
Commie.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:55 pm to Crusty
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Are pitbulls more aggressive if they are in packs?
I honestly couldn't say with any definitive knowledge but I would imagine that instincts would be more prevalent when a group of animals are together. Monkey see, monkey do.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 4:01 pm to Crusty
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What if we passed a law that held dog owners responsible for the actions of their dogs? If the dog(s) kill someone...the dog owner could be tried for manslaughter?
I don't know about manslaughter but I can absolutely agree on the owners being held responsible. Back on the tiger topic for a moment, they are allowed as pets but it is strictly enforced and lengthy measures must be taken to acquire and keep one.
Instead of society running out and calling for the euthanasia of an entire breed, why don't we educate owners and adoptive owners to the potential for danger with the breed and push to enact laws require the spay/neuter of adopted/purchased animals.
I'm not sure if you've been to a pound or rescue lately but they are FULL of pit mixes. I'm only guessing here but this is probably due to owners not properly caring for their animals.
Saint. That's a cute pup ya got there.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 4:08 pm to Scooba
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quote:What if we passed a law that held dog owners responsible for the actions of their dogs? If the dog(s) kill someone...the dog owner could be tried for manslaughter?
is there not some form of a negligence law already? I always assumed there was
Posted on 5/30/17 at 4:10 pm to Scooba
I stated that my weapons were stowed away in a fashion my child could not get to them. I agree with you completely it was irresponsible for the parents to do so with a PIT, i have a 12 yr old daughter so i know a little bit about trying to be careful!
Posted on 5/30/17 at 4:18 pm to Scooba
Hey Scoob, just curious, i love dogs, that's why i mentioned malinois as a great breed, but i have hear most dogs have a bite=300 PPsg, with Germans and Rots coming in at near 600, but Pitts at 1k Psig? i am way off base you seem to know alot about dogs so i am not trolling you bro?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 4:23 pm to sweetwaterbilly
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pitbull apologists
This is so ignorant.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 4:24 pm to Dave lsu 89
Here is an example. I have a lab. A VERY obedient and playful lab. After six years of having her, she has not "attacked" anyone and I would imagine the consensus on the OT is that labs are generally great pets. Once or twice though, I have drunkenly stumbled past her while she was asleep and she jumped up, hackles raised and barked at my foot. I scared the shite out of her, and she scared the heck out of me.
That alone is enough to make me worry that if I had an infant crawling around the house, it is possible that they could grab her tail or pet her leading to a bite that would be much more dangerous to a child then to my foot. I can assure you that even though this dog is extremely loyal and I wouldn't think twice about her playing in the yard with the kids, I would still be cautious with a child around animals.
I feel like my standpoint on this whole discussion has been lost. Yes pits can be an aggressive breed but NO we should not euthanize all of them. Ultimately, parents and dog owners need to be responsible for their pets and children. No child should die due to carelessness.
That alone is enough to make me worry that if I had an infant crawling around the house, it is possible that they could grab her tail or pet her leading to a bite that would be much more dangerous to a child then to my foot. I can assure you that even though this dog is extremely loyal and I wouldn't think twice about her playing in the yard with the kids, I would still be cautious with a child around animals.
I feel like my standpoint on this whole discussion has been lost. Yes pits can be an aggressive breed but NO we should not euthanize all of them. Ultimately, parents and dog owners need to be responsible for their pets and children. No child should die due to carelessness.
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