re: Ancient civilizations. Y or N?

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SlowFlowPro

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Moron…

The safe space you speak of is the same sort of standard academic view which claims cOViD magically appeared in a wet market NEXT to the virus laboratory that specializes in… pandemic bugs.


I know enough about history & science to acknowledge those in power & control love keeping it that way. Been that way since before Galileo & his spat with the HRCC.

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he safe space you speak of is the same sort of standard academic view which claims cOViD magically appeared

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Uh, no it isn't. The two are in no way related.

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I know enough about history & science

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No. You don't.

I was hoping for this conversation after listening to the Dibble/Hancock debate. Before that debate I was in the camp that "most of the Hancock stuff is probably based in some truth but exaggerated." At a minimum it was interesting and something I enjoyed learning about. After the debate I can barely stand Hancock and that group any more.

Hancock's basic assertion is that there was a GLOBAL civilization that had agriculture and were wiped out by a cataclysm. After that cataclysm the few survivors traveled around bringing agriculture and other advancements to the world. Sounds great in theory but doesn't hold up. Just a couple things that stuck with me from the debate.

The agriculture angle. Apparently when crops begin to be controlled by a civilization there are actual changes to the crop. It literally changes to be conducive to being grown. We can easily and readily see this evidence throughout history. The fact is there is no evidence from the ice age that there was any agriculture going on and we would expect to find it if it was so. I believe this starts showing up around the generally accepted time that agriculture started. It's also why archaeologists can tell in different parts of the world when agriculture did start. It's a process that starts showing up in the plants within a couple of hundred years.

The whole "it's all under water" or "you haven't looked at 95% of the Sahara" arguments is also flawed. I think Dibble said there have been over 3 million shipwrecks studied. In those 3 million, not 1 example of something from a globe travelling civilization. Despite the fact that numerous things have been found under water from over 10,000 years ago.

Same with the claims of only exploring 5% of the Sahara. The Sahara is littered with thousands of archeological sites. And the only evidence found has been of hunter gatherers. Sites that are much like camp grounds and would be much harder to find than a more advanced civilization. If there was a global advanced civilization we would find evidence. There is tons of evidence from that time period that wasn't "erased" by a global cataclysm. But not one single piece of evidence of agriculture or other advanced techniques.

Bimini Road. I love this one because Hancock likes to point this out as something man made. One popular theory is it's an ancient road. The problem is when we look at ancient roads we find other evidence around. Basically trash and road filler from that time period. Nothing like that is found here. And the experts assert that Bimini Road is not uncommon to find naturally.

I don't remember a lot of pyramid talk from the debate but I've read extensively on that. Most of that has been covered in this thread. I'm now convinced the Giza pyramids were built 4500 years ago. I don't know the specifics and I'm skeptical on the 20 year building period. The Khufu graffiti is a pretty big tell. As is the carbon dating of the mortar.

I would love to hear more experts taking the time to calmly debunk the alternative theories without everything getting personal. I still find it fascinating. But I no longer can entertain the thought that there was some advanced global civilization during the ice age.

But there are things the ancients were doing that we weren't aware of. Gobekli Tepe is an example. Doesn't mean it was mystical. And there is no evidence of agriculture in the area from that time period. We don't know how to make Greek fire, but it was a thing. Things advance and the old ways are often forgotten. The one thing I do agree with the conspiracies on is that people 5,000 and even 10,000 or more years ago were much smarter and more capable than we historically have given them credit for.

Just look at the Younger Dryas period approximately 10-12,000 years ago. Sea levels rose rapidly approximately 400 feet. Look at historical records from around the world where everyone talks about the Great Flood during that same period of time. You have a great example of Gobekli Tepe and there are many other examples around the world of people being more advanced than originally thought. People have been around for a long long time. Cataclysms happen and we pretty much start over with the survivors. I do think that there have been advanced civilizations in the past. And I’m glad that light is being brought to this subject.

Atlantis never existed, but things like the pyramids and the great wall were monumental feats that wouldn't be that easy to duplicate today. If there was technology similar to ours 10,000 years ago, there would be evidence everywhere. So yes we underestimate what past civilizations where capable of, but no they didn't have cell phones and cars.

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ancient Aggies there of the past carved these as a part of their worship:

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Even if I was an Aggie fan I’d still laugh my arse off. Well done good sir! Haha

We could be far more advanced now if the powers that be weren’t keeping the inventions and technology from being released in order to keep us dependent on archaic crap we’ve been dealing with for many decades.

Is it greed, money, loss of jobs or maybe they think the human race can’t handle it. The economic impact of some shelved inventions could be enormous, such as enormous fuel efficiency to the gas industry or power producing technologies that would have a big impact and so on.

Those who have the cash or the military will buy up the new technologies and make them disappear.. Cancer cures and such as well.

I could be off base with that assumption but I’d be surprised.