re: Ancient Aliens - Puma Punku

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Yet another thing about this idea is that "Ancient Alien Theorists" like to point out the fact that the first civilizations seemed to pop up out of nothing. The Sumerians go from small settlements with rudimentary farming to massive cities of thousands of people complete with kings, gods, temples, massive multi-story high palaces, laws, judges, written language, ect. They argue, "where could this knowledge have come from if not from the sky?" The answer is, the sea. The first Sumerian cities pop up in the centuries immediately following the "Great Flood" in the region that formed the Persian Gulf. It is only logical that the survivors of that great cataclysm (which may have filled the entire gulf in a matter of weeks) would have moved up river and settled on the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates, the same river system they lived on before much of its lower delta was inundated. The answer is that those peoples who survived brought their culture (or at least parts of it) to the people who lived inland and created new civilizations there.

There is little to no archaeological evidence for a seafaring people before the end of the last ice age (yet we know that migrations of peoples MUST have occurred across water ways during the period due to archaeological evidence (arrow points) and genetic markers). That lack of evidence does NOT mean that they did not exist. It simply means that a seafaring civilization has not been discovered seeing as they likely would have inhabited the precise region that was completely inundated by water, an area that until recently was completely unexplored by archaeologists. I firmly believe that as the continental shelves and Old World Seas see greater exploration, we will assuredly uncover evidence of such a civilization that taught those whom we currently regard as "the ancients" much of what they knew and what we are still struggling to understand.

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This is something that I find very intriguing and with merit. Would make sense that being near bodies of water would leave entire civilizations washed away with a tsunami or extreme change in water level of some kind. The entire world wouldn't have to flood as much as just the area near the ocean.

Yeah, think about it. People with knowledge of stone building techniques, written writing, planting, irrigating, and harvesting crops, animal husbandry, sea navigation, with a system of religion, courts, etc. would be so advanced to a group of hunter gatherers that they'd be alien and god-like. Wouldn't require space ships or ray guns or any of that crap. Just a civilization's last vestiges fleeing a flood of their river valley. This explains a) flood myths b) garden of eden c) ancient "aliens" simply and without religion or aliens.

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(And I don't buy that slaves were that dedicated - those things were built by expert craftsmen.)

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They weren't built by slaves. It was a massive public works project.

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seems like extrapolating that is just a matter of scale.

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Yeah, but the uniformity of the cuts in the Puma Punku site is pretty impressive. I'm not saying it's aliens, but it seems like it's more than just some old man with a hammer and chisel. One of the bad things about saying "Aliens did it", is it stops you from asking "if not hammer and chisel, then what?"

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Yeah, but the uniformity of the cuts in the Puma Punku site is pretty impressive. I'm not saying it's aliens, but it seems like it's more than just some old man with a hammer and chisel. One of the bad things about saying "Aliens did it", is it stops you from asking "if not hammer and chisel, then what?"

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It was like a spiritual center from what I remember studying about it, so I am sure they had the best crew out there working on it. It was suppose to be pretty elaborate beyond just the stone work too.

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Just a civilization's last vestiges fleeing a flood of their river valley. This explains a) flood myths b) garden of eden c) ancient "aliens" simply and without religion or aliens.

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Also explains myths of "gods" like Prometheus giving the gift of fire.

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Does anyone have any legit books they could recommend on this subject of lost civilizations?

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I have a few on my bookshelf at home. I'll post this evening. I also plan to revisit some of my ancient Mesopotamian mythology and history.

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pretty much impossible for us to do today with our machines

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sure it is

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Then how do you explain this?

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Yet another thing about this idea is that "Ancient Alien Theorists" like to point out the fact that the first civilizations seemed to pop up out of nothing. The Sumerians go from small settlements with rudimentary farming to massive cities of thousands of people complete with kings, gods, temples, massive multi-story high palaces, laws, judges, written language, ect. They argue, "where could this knowledge have come from if not from the sky?" The answer is, the sea. The first Sumerian cities pop up in the centuries immediately following the "Great Flood" in the region that formed the Persian Gulf. It is only logical that the survivors of that great cataclysm (which may have filled the entire gulf in a matter of weeks) would have moved up river and settled on the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates, the same river system they lived on before much of its lower delta was inundated. The answer is that those peoples who survived brought their culture (or at least parts of it) to the people who lived inland and created new civilizations there.

There is little to no archaeological evidence for a seafaring people before the end of the last ice age (yet we know that migrations of peoples MUST have occurred across water ways during the period due to archaeological evidence (arrow points) and genetic markers). That lack of evidence does NOT mean that they did not exist. It simply means that a seafaring civilization has not been discovered seeing as they likely would have inhabited the precise region that was completely inundated by water, an area that until recently was completely unexplored by archaeologists. I firmly believe that as the continental shelves and Old World Seas see greater exploration, we will assuredly uncover evidence of such a civilization that taught those whom we currently regard as "the ancients" much of what they knew and what we are still struggling to understand.

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Atlantis. Duh.

I have been in construction for most of my life, for the most part civil construction and Puma Punku is the one that baffles me. It is the most impressive example of ancient construction that I have seen. None of the others even come close.