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re: Ancient Aliens - Puma Punku
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:They were in a hurry and didn't want to leave any of their own materials and equipment behind. Had to use what was available in the environment (rock).
one thing i don't get is that if aliens made these structures, why are they so shitty compared to modern tech?
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:12 am to Swoopin
The angles are within like .001 degree of perfrect 90's in almost all of the passages. The cracks between stones are so snug that not even a thin piece of paper can fit. The actual precision cuts seem to be superior to a lot of the work done today.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:12 am to TigerinATL
As for why newer technology wouldnt survive... if humans disappeared right now...what would survive.
Any steel based builsing will collapse in under 1000 years. Concrete will erode quickly.
Takes roughly 20 years for an asphault road to be reclaimed by nature.
What survives...stone structures. The more advanced a civilization is, the quicker their shite disappears.
Any steel based builsing will collapse in under 1000 years. Concrete will erode quickly.
Takes roughly 20 years for an asphault road to be reclaimed by nature.
What survives...stone structures. The more advanced a civilization is, the quicker their shite disappears.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 9:13 am
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:12 am to Darth_Vader
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It sure does look like cement. And to me that would be the bigger question here. Cement was not known in the new
It's not cement.
This was built 1000 years after the Parthenon and it was built about the same time as the palace of Darius which has similar cuts. We have proof stonemasons cut the Udayagiri Caves as well, but frick it, let's go with aliens...
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
one thing i don't get is that if aliens made these structures, why are they so shitty compared to modern tech?
aliens would have more advanced tech than we do now, so they could do all sorts of cool shite...but they still go for stone?
Sone is one of the longest lasting materials they could have used. I don't see it being unadvanced. To me, they used a material they knew could last nearly forever. And to do what they did to limestone really makes me believe they had some sort of special tools to make the precision cuts they did.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:15 am to Dam Guide
quote:speculating about aliens gets ratings though
This was built 1000 years after the Parthenon and it was built about the same time as the palace of Darius which has similar cuts. We have proof stonemasons cut the Udayagiri Caves as well, but frick it, let's go with aliens...
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:16 am to ThePoo
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Couldn't they use molds to make straight lines and curves?
1) How do you get the mold so perfect
2) It isn't cement, it's carved/cut granite. I could see a few of the holes being perfectly done, but not pretty much all of them. Look at the 2nd set of pictures I posted and how un-uniform everything is. This is what normal human workmanship from that time looks like.
Granted, this appears to be a different building material, but this is about 1.5 miles away from Puma Punku, so if there was something special in the water, you think you'd have seen it at Tiwanaku too.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:22 am to DrunkenStuporMan
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The little holes on the bottom and right side look like they would have been impossible without a drill of some kind.
Not to mention it would take a highly precise bit with a diamond/carbide tip spinning at really high speeds to achieve that level of smooth finish in a material as hard as granite. It is of a hardness just under diamond and your tool has to be harder than the material it is cutting. Those small holes would have been just about impossible with a hand tool. Not only to make the hole but to keep it perfectly straight. Really makes you wonder how people living in a dirt hut could have achieved this. Yes i am a believer in a higher tech helping build the ancient megolithic structrures
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:24 am to Dam Guide
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It's not cement.
This was built 1000 years after the Parthenon and it was built about the same time as the palace of Darius which has similar cuts. We have proof stonemasons cut the Udayagiri Caves as well, but frick it, let's go with aliens...
I know it's not actually cement. I just said it looks like cement which is impossible because cement was totally unknown at that time.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:26 am to TigerinATL
Well if we are to believe that they had tools to drill stone and cut perfect lines why could we not believe they had the tech for some sort of primitive cement
I have no idea what those are made out of but if they say solid stone then it's probably solid stone
How do they get a mold perfect? I dunno...but it seems a lot easier then carving every stone perfectly that's for sure
I don't think it was ancient aliens but hey, maybe so. I do think that human capabilities have been underestimated throughout the centuries. Especially in those prerecorded centuries
I have no idea what those are made out of but if they say solid stone then it's probably solid stone
How do they get a mold perfect? I dunno...but it seems a lot easier then carving every stone perfectly that's for sure
I don't think it was ancient aliens but hey, maybe so. I do think that human capabilities have been underestimated throughout the centuries. Especially in those prerecorded centuries
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:26 am to TigerinATL
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It's carved/cut granite.
It's not granite, it's red sandstone and smaller andesite. Ancient Aliens actually lied about that part.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 9:30 am
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:26 am to Dam Guide
quote:
it was built about the same time as the palace of Darius which has similar cuts
That's what I was looking for, like I said, I'd never seen such precision and uniformity in ancient ruins before. It is curious though that around the same time they develop similar techniques halfway around the world. I know there's been some speculation as to whether or not there was travel between Africa and South America. Another bit of information from this episode is a metal bowl in a museum in Boliva that has Sumerian writing on it.
I agree that turning gaps in our knowledge into aliens is stupid, but there does appear to be evidence of more interaction and interconnectivity than the ancient world is typically given credit for.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:30 am to Darth_Vader
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It sure does look like cement. And to me that would be the bigger question here. Cement was not known in the new world until the Europeans brought the knowledge of it here.
This is what I've always argued was the lost technology the ancients had. They had to have either mechanical diamond tipped saws for cutting limestone, granite, and diarite (the monuments at Puma Punku and nearby Tiawanako are made of Diarite, which is one of the hardest substances on earth and can only be cut by diamond tipped tools) or they had some means of "casting" those stones like we do with concrete CMU blocks and preformed slabs today.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:31 am to SuzukiGoat
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What survives...stone structures.
Look at Greece and Rome, particularly. The only reason the Coliseum is in the state of disrepair is that they started using the stone for other things. Ditto for Giza. The Parthenon suffered a fire, but many of the classical Greek structures survive - roughly 2500, 3000 years later.
And, those in the West are in cities that have been heavily and continuously populated since the edifices were constructed.
What makes places in the Americas so intriguing is that the heavy depopulation, both in the immediate pre-Columbian period, and certainly afterwards - many of these stone cities and structures are in areas taken back by the jungle. When you excavate - all you find are stones, bones and pottery.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:31 am to kingbob
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They had to have either mechanical diamond tipped saws for cutting limestone, granite, and diarite (the monuments at Puma Punku and nearby Tiawanako are made of Diarite, which is one of the hardest substances on earth and can only be cut by diamond tipped tools)
Again, ancient aliens lied about the granite and diorite. They are not made of that. They are made of red sandstone and andesite.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:36 am to Dam Guide
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Again, ancient aliens lied about the granite and diorite.
I actually remember hearing andesite mentioned as well, but I'm not as familiar with it so granite is what stuck in my mind. But you do need to watch AA with a massive grain of salt because they have no problems being intellectually dishonest.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:41 am to TigerinATL
The tolerance on the cuts are beyond what even modern tools are capable of.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:42 am to TigerinATL
quote:
I actually remember hearing andesite mentioned as well, but I'm not as familiar with it so granite is what stuck in my mind. But you do need to watch AA with a massive grain of salt because they have no problems being intellectually dishonest.
Exactly this. I do not believe 95% of what is said on ancient aliens, but I love the show to try and decipher what I do believe and what I dont. They bring up some great points at times that don't seem to have a reasonable answer.
I don't point directly to aliens in the case of not knowing an answer, but I look at how a civilization could have a technology that is unseen for thousands of years and think, well someone had to give it to them.
If they were created by the civilization they could continue to advance it. If it was given to them, they probably didn't understand the tech and that's why it was lost.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:44 am to SouthOfSouth
The biggest question is when these civilizations flat out claim the gods gave them the technology. We know that gods did no such thing but what is a god to them?
As we have found out, if you give a remote island canned food they consider you a god.
As we have found out, if you give a remote island canned food they consider you a god.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:48 am to notsince98
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The biggest question is when these civilizations flat out claim the gods gave them the technology. We know that gods did no such thing but what is a god to them?
As we have found out, if you give a remote island canned food they consider you a god.
A god is anything idolized. If an englishman came on a boat and gave you new technology many would consider him an idol/god. BUT the problem with it just being other humans is, the technology needed doesn't seem to be available to anyone at that time so you would expect someone who may have furthered tech to be the culprit.
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