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An Aversion to "Adulting"
Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:50 pm
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Using generations as signposts for understanding group behavior can be a frustrating exercise—every baby boomer isn’t an aging hippie and every millennial isn’t an avocado-toast fiend with an entitlement complex. And yet, as social-science researchers have found, generational distinctions do have some validity, and a better understanding of large birth cohorts can illuminate broader social trends.
So argues Jean M. Twenge, persuasively, in “iGen: Why Today’s Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy—and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood.” A psychology professor at San Diego State University, Ms. Twenge assigns the label iGen (her own coinage) to people born between 1995 and 2012. It is a group, she notes, that doesn’t know a world without the internet and smartphones and is now 24% of the U.S. population.
Who are these people and what do they want from us? According to Ms. Twenge, they are neither as cynical as Gen X nor as overconfident as their immediate predecessors, the millennials. In fact, the older members of iGen (now in their teens and early 20s) represent a radical departure when it comes to their views on religion, free speech, relationships and technology.
To judge by Ms. Twenge’s data, tolerance is their religion. Churchgoing and faith are in free-fall among iGen-ers, while their views on LGBTQ matters are more liberal than those of any previous generation. So, too, their views of sex. They are having less of it themselves but are less judgmental about the sexual habits of others. They “are just less willing to label anything as ‘wrong,’ ” Ms. Twenge writes.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:58 pm to Wally Sparks
You know who taught their kids to act like this? Their parents. You know who their parents are? Gen X
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:00 pm to Wally Sparks
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They “are just less willing to label anything as ‘wrong,’
This is the problem...no moral compass.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:03 pm to Wally Sparks
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They “are just less willing to label anything as ‘wrong,’ ” Ms. Twenge writes.
Tolerance is good to an extent, but taking the above quote to the extreme is a very dangerous slope for society to go down. Civilized society kind of depends on adherence to and agreement on the idea that there are in fact certain fundamental things that are right and wrong. Not everything is "relative."
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:03 pm to Upperdecker
quote:I bet more are boomers
you know who their parents are? Gen X
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:06 pm to Wally Sparks
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Ms. Twenge assigns the label iGen (her own coinage) to people born between 1995 and 2012.
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the older members of iGen (now in their teens and early 20s)
So some people in her iGen are in their early twenties....but the date range is 17 years....someone missed math lab a few to many times.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:12 pm to someLSUdoosh
Read it again and see if you spot your problem.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:13 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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bet more are boomers
Boomers suck too, but that's unlikely. Boomers are far more responsible for millenials
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:15 pm to someLSUdoosh
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So some people in her iGen are in their early twenties....but the date range is 17 years....someone missed math lab a few to many times.
Well her range ended 5 years ago. See where you went wrong?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:15 pm to Wally Sparks
You left out one of the most intriguing parts of the article/book.
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They “are just less willing to label anything as ‘wrong,’ ” Ms. Twenge writes.
Unless, that is, something is deemed an offense against tolerance itself. Members of iGen, Ms. Twenge says, are more likely than their predecessors “to support restricting speech.” She found that “more than one out of four students (28%) agreed that ‘A faculty member who, on a single occasion, says something racially insensitive in class should be fired,’ ” while 16% believed a student who did the same thing once should be expelled. In a rare moment of judgmentalism, Ms. Twenge adds: “This is the dark side of tolerance; it begins with the good intentions of including everyone and not offending anyone but ends (at best) with a reluctance to explore deep issues and (at worst) with careers destroyed by a comment someone found offensive and the silencing of all alternative viewpoints.”
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:33 pm to elposter
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Tolerance is good to an extent, but taking the above quote to the extreme is a very dangerous slope for society to go down. Civilized society kind of depends on adherence to and agreement on the idea that there are in fact certain fundamental things that are right and wrong. Not everything is "relative."
"Tolerance" is now used as a weapon. Every group that engages in aberrant behavior wants it excused under the guise of tolerance.
Music that refers to women as "bitches" and "whores." If you point this out, you are "intolerant."
In my very limited life experience, those who preach "tolerance" are almost always the most intolerant.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:37 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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you know who their parents are? Gen X
I bet more are boomers
Seems like iGen would be predominantly the children of Gen X. The boomer generation spans more years but the majority of them would have been well done having kids by the start of this person's iGen (1995). And it seems like after about 2000 (so from 2000-2012 of the iGen) the parents would almost exclusively be Gen X.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 3:52 pm to elposter
U rite
I didn't read the article and assumed it was about millennials
I didn't read the article and assumed it was about millennials
Posted on 8/28/17 at 4:19 pm to Wally Sparks
I heard an awesome TED talk about the younger kids not having "stopping queues" in their lives like we had (gen X).
When a TV show was over, it was over. When a phone call was done, we hung up.
Nowadays, information and communication never stops. This feeds into the behaviors and expectations of the millennial generation. They just think different and react different. Not much starts and stops for them. It is all a soupy sludge if information that they digest what they want and it affects their logical decision making. It also talked about them often forming their opinion based on other's opinions (posted on social media or just gossip), as opposed to observing/learning facts before forming their own opinion.
Forgot who it was, but the TED talk was very impressive.
When a TV show was over, it was over. When a phone call was done, we hung up.
Nowadays, information and communication never stops. This feeds into the behaviors and expectations of the millennial generation. They just think different and react different. Not much starts and stops for them. It is all a soupy sludge if information that they digest what they want and it affects their logical decision making. It also talked about them often forming their opinion based on other's opinions (posted on social media or just gossip), as opposed to observing/learning facts before forming their own opinion.
Forgot who it was, but the TED talk was very impressive.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 4:26 pm to Wally Sparks
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Unless, that is, something is deemed an offense against tolerance itself. Members of iGen, Ms. Twenge says, are more likely than their predecessors “to support restricting speech.” She found that “more than one out of four students (28%) agreed that ‘A faculty member who, on a single occasion, says something racially insensitive in class should be fired,’ ” while 16% believed a student who did the same thing once should be expelled. In a rare moment of judgmentalism, Ms. Twenge adds: “This is the dark side of tolerance; it begins with the good intentions of including everyone and not offending anyone but ends (at best) with a reluctance to explore deep issues and (at worst) with careers destroyed by a comment someone found offensive and the silencing of all alternative viewpoints.” The supposed enthusiasm for tolerance among iGen-ers, Ms. Twenge says, is trumped by only one thing: the desire for safety, a term with a psychological dimension more than a physical one. “Safe spaces,” as we know, dot college campuses. Sometimes they feature “coloring books and videos of frolicking puppies, neatly connecting the idea of safe spaces with that of childhood,” Ms. Twenge notes. The trigger warnings and other protections mocked by critics as accommodations for “snowflakes,” she says, are “not fringe ideas but those embraced by the majority of iGen’ers.”
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Yet they don’t spend their time reading in any serious or systematic way either. Indeed, they are “much less likely to read books than their Millennial, GenX, and Boomer predecessors,” Ms. Twenge writes. Their academic skills lag behind those of millennials “by significant margins,” and they are “less informed” about current events.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 4:30 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Let me know if you think of who it was who presented that TED talk. Thanks. I'd like to watch it and possibly send it to my kids to watch.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 4:33 pm to Upperdecker
quote:Parenting is hard when you're always comes up.
You know who their parents are? Gen X
Posted on 8/28/17 at 4:42 pm to Wally Sparks
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Completely Unprepared for Adulthood.
Who the hell is ever completely prepared for adulthood??
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:40 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Yet they don’t spend their time reading in any serious or systematic way either. Indeed, they are “much less likely to read books than their Millennial, GenX, and Boomer predecessors,” Ms. Twenge writes. Their academic skills lag behind those of millennials “by significant margins,” and they are “less informed” about current events.
And as a result, context and critical thinking are almost nonexistent with people today.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:45 am to UGATiger26
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the good intentions of including everyone and not offending anyone
Some people need to be offended
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