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re: Amid low fuel prices, Ford discontinues Taurus and Fiesta. Chevy will phase out Sonic

Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:08 pm to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:08 pm to
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Yes. My wife drives a minivan that looks just like that.



You're probably are the same guy in every new truck thread that says "(blank) looks just like (blank)" even though they don't look the same at all.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:08 pm to
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Most of them look like minivans


Meh, not really. If anything, they're the station wagons of today. But, essentially, most body on frame SUVs were (however large or small) the station wagons of their day.

There is a reason the station wagon was extremely popular and crossovers are now. They're definitely not my cup of tea, but I'm not going to dismiss the genius of the market. For some, a truck is all that will do, I get that. For others, a body on frame SUV is all that will do. I get that as well - I'm probably in that category if I have to give up my fancy sedans.

But, for the vast majority of drivers, particularly women, crossovers are going to be the dominant vehicle for the foreseeable future - particularly over mainstream 3-box sedans, econo coupes, etc.

Yeah, there some folks who will select an S (or even E-class) class (or Lexus equivalent) as a daily driver, just as some folks will end up in a Corvette, Carrera, etc. But that is a niche market.

Car salesmen are selling crossovers because that's what the market wants, not some secret plan to "minivan" America.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:10 pm to
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Meh, not really. If anything, they're the station wagons of today. But, essentially, most body on frame SUVs were (however large or small) the station wagons of their day.

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Car salesmen are selling crossovers because that's what the market wants


Stop making sense.
Posted by DevilDogTiger
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:10 pm to
Nope. Not me. I like your minivan FWIW
Posted by dewster
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:29 pm to
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This is a feminine looking vehicle?


The have never seen a man drive one of those.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:31 pm to
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The have never seen a man drive one of those.




Sure.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:34 pm to
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This is a feminine looking vehicle?


Yes.

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I guess Toyota makes the girliest vehicles out there since women love 4Runners.


You didn't post a picture of a 4Runner, just FTR.

(ETA: The Highlander would be a closer comparison for your Edge there - and it's fairly feminine itself, although not as much as your Edge. Now, I am a Toyota/Lexus guy first, with Ford as my second choice. I would drive an Explorer, but I wouldn't be super proud of it. Edge? No way - might as well just join the other team at that point. )
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 4:37 pm
Posted by goofball
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:42 pm to
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This is a feminine looking vehicle?


Yeah, but I never really liked minivans.
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:45 pm to
I know "wagon" is a dirty word to consumers, but those Outbacks and Crosstreks are fun, practical cars. Crosstrek just needs a V6 or a turbo option and Subaru across the board needs to update their trim levels.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:55 pm to
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I know "wagon" is a dirty word to consumers


It is, but I prefer station wagons to minivans/crossovers.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 5:17 pm to
Wagons are more masculine than crossovers...but why shouldn't a woman drive a feminine vehicle? Wife's crossover is very girly.

Posted by deeprig9
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 5:39 pm to
The only sedan Ford should make is the Mustang. Stick with trucks and crossovers, get the Ranger going again, and keep my dividends flowing.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 5:45 pm to
Good. Every one of those cars are pieces of shite
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 5:51 pm to
Don't they still make a BBC of shitty Chryslers? I have a 300 this week as a rental car...feels like I'm driving something made in 2000.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:03 pm to
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I have a 300 this week as a rental car...feels like I'm driving something made in 2000.


The 300 is Chrysler's big premium vehicle. The Chrysler 200 is a massive piece of shite. Don't ever let anyone put you in a Chrysler 200, Dodge Dart, or anything Mitsubishi
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:15 pm to
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I have a 300 this week as a rental car...feels like I'm driving something made in 2000.


I actually don't dislike the Chrysler 300.

The Chrysler 200 is meh.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:17 pm to
The engine is nice enough, and I couldn't stomach that POS Camry I had last week again.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:26 pm to
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Posted by Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:34 pm to
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The only sedan Ford should make is the Mustang.
Fusions are pretty damn legit now. That's the best sedan they make. Modern mustangs are extremely overrated. Just like modern camaros
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:01 pm to
I own a fully optioned 2010 MB C300 Sport. Hands down the best vehicle I've ever driven or worked on. 30 MPG on the highway.

Don't understand the appeal of crossovers. If I wanted a crossover I would just get a station wagon. Honestly, other than aesthetics I've never understood why anybody would choose to sedan over station wagon. It's a sedan with a bigger trunk. With a crossover you have to give up MPG. If my C300 was available in the US as a station wagon I would have got that without a second thought.

I also own a compact car that gets 36 on the highway but I have to give up comfort and creature features. I also own a true off road SUV but it gets 12 on the highway. If I could only keep one it would be the C300.
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