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re: America needs carpenters and plumbers. Gen Z doesn't seem interested
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:42 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:42 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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make a salary at the top end of what a 23 year old blue collar worker makes? it's not hard
In Louisiana? Doing what? The entire point of this discussion is the desperate need for trades people. That level of need does not exist in any professional field that I currently know of.
Again, the trade path is not for everyone, but there are certainly a lot more kids in a 4 year program that shouldn't be there either.
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:47 pm to lsuconnman
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So, it’s not really the trade that you’re attracted to? More so, it’s the business owner aspect of employing the tradesmen.
Do you think accounting or law school grads are attracted to 60-80 hour weeks buried in research, or is it becoming partner?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:55 pm to RLDSC FAN
Guess Bush was finally right. Immigrants are doing the jobs, Americans won't do. Bastard.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:05 pm to RLDSC FAN
Are boomer plumbers apprenticing the younger generation, or are they enjoying the increased pay due to the scarcity?
Does gen z know you can be a plumber without dealing with clogged toilets all day (new construction requires plumbers).
Hardworking, honest, drug-free blue collar workers are scarce. I know an electrician who works full time commercial, but hangs lights/fans for an hour or so at houses on his way home, and that hour puts probably 2-3k a month cash into his pocket.
Does gen z know you can be a plumber without dealing with clogged toilets all day (new construction requires plumbers).
Hardworking, honest, drug-free blue collar workers are scarce. I know an electrician who works full time commercial, but hangs lights/fans for an hour or so at houses on his way home, and that hour puts probably 2-3k a month cash into his pocket.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:09 pm to Basura Blanco
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This post was edited on 7/16/23 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:12 pm to lsuconnman
quote:those ordinary hourly laborers weren’t going to college anyway brah
Failing to make partner in your scenario may result in a miserable existence, but still provides economic upside and stability that ordinary hourly laborers don’t enjoy.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:12 pm to lsuconnman
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The point I tried to make is the mythical noble tradesman fantasy propounded in these recurring threads also expects the a tradesman will build his own business.
Failing to make partner in your scenario may result in a miserable existence, but still provides economic upside and stability that ordinary hourly laborers don’t en
Gotcha. Pretty much agree with this.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:29 pm to Basura Blanco
quote:not necessarily,but yes
In Louisiana?
quote:accounting, engineering, sales, tech
Doing what?
quote:fine, but why be so hyperbolic about it? you're presenting it as this easy choice and it's simply not. the fact is going to college, picking a good major, getting good internships, and landing a good job will most likely give you a much better quality of life than working in the trades. there's a reason successful tradesmen have sent their kids to college for the last 50ish years.
Again, the trade path is not for everyone, but there are certainly a lot more kids in a 4 year program that shouldn't be there either.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:31 pm to RLDSC FAN
We'll have robots for that
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:51 pm to Basura Blanco
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In Louisiana? Doing what?
Starts with O and ends in G. You can make close to six figs year 1 with a 4 year state college degree. shite might be at 6 figs these days. Engineers were starting around 70-80k but that was over 10 years ago. So might be 100k+ now for new hires.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:21 pm to lsuconnman
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Failing to make partner in your scenario may result in a miserable existence, but still provides economic upside and stability that ordinary hourly laborers don’t enjoy.
It *will* be a miserable existence. Partners and clients and firm politics will make sure of it.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:49 pm to DVA Tailgater
I’m one of the ones who wasted 4 years on a worthless college degree. Thinking about getting into a trade, but have no clue which one. Now that I’m in my 30’s, definitely something that won’t kill my body. Really wish trades/skills would’ve been pushed more in school growing up.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 2:40 am to Cotten
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trying to encourage my Daughter
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to explore the
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(Trim)
Umm.... pics?
Posted on 6/14/23 at 2:41 am to Cotten
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trying to encourage my Daughter
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to explore the
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(Trim)
Umm.... pics? Of the trim, not your daughter.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 2:46 am to RLDSC FAN
you’re telling me a generation that was told, explicitly, that being a carpenter or a plumber is the same as a ditch digger, doesn’t want to do those things?
I’m fricking shocked
I’m fricking shocked
Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:17 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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you're presenting it as this easy choice and it's simply not. the fact is going to college, picking a good major, getting good internships, and landing a good job will most likely give you a much better quality of life than working in the trades. there's a reason successful tradesmen have sent their kids to college for the last 50ish years.
You are absolutely correct for the top 50% of college graduates or better trades makes almost no sense.
But for the bottom 25% it absolutely does.
But again these guys acting like the old grunts making good money turning wrenches daily is simply rarely the case. The avg tradesman is making 60-75k at 50-60 years old. Working on their hands and knees, getting dirty, some long hours, etc.
The key to any job is to get into management ownership. Even in an office.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:23 am to High C
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Unless you’re a REALLY strong math and/or science student interested in a STEM career,
Agree
I have been laying the groundwork with my kids that they can’t go to liberal arts schools and that I have to approve of their major’s ROI.
They will be treating college like a vocational school. Actually, I would love it if they were to learn a trade.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:52 am to RLDSC FAN
We had them for decades. They came from south of the boarder. "Build the Wall" has consequences that most in the building, farming, and service industry knew would happen. Now we are seeing those results on farms, construction sites and restaurants....
"They are taking our jobs!!" No they aren't. It's obvious whitebread America doesn't want those jobs.
"They are taking our jobs!!" No they aren't. It's obvious whitebread America doesn't want those jobs.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:56 am to YNWA
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We had them for decades. They came from south of the boarde
WHat is the economic tradeoff to cheap foreign labor?
You have no clue. You really don't know why you are for immigration.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:57 am to baldona
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You are absolutely correct for the top 50% of college graduates or better trades makes almost no sense.
True.
Not everyone can work with their hands.
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