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re: America has reached peak obesity, obesity rates fall for the first time.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:33 pm to DCtiger1
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:33 pm to DCtiger1
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What’s funny? Sorry I don’t consider the BMI chart as the most accurate depiction of obesity considering someone that’s 5’11” 215 is “obese”.
That is very much in the ballpark. 5’ 11” ideally should be around 170. 215 is almost 50 pounds overweight.
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:34 pm to aib799
Not if you’re factoring in muscle mass, skeletal muscle weight and body fat %. It can’t be looked at alone.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:34 pm to DCtiger1
quote:You don't have to imagine it. We have an entire board for this.
Imagine the response if I said a baw that is tired of being 150 used TRT to get up to 180 and now feels like a new man.
Tons of TRT threads on the health board. shite, we had a peptide thread on this board that went a hundred pages.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:36 pm to northshorebamaman
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You don't have to imagine it. We have an entire board for this.
trust me I know. Look I support glp-1 usage. I just want our approach to be multifaceted so I guess that’s too much to ask for. It also appears that the FDA is fricking small compounding pharmacies that can make the products much cheaper in favor of big pharma, go figure.
TRT is a good comparison though. Lots of men actually need it because their bodies are no longer producing it at optimal levels, and some are taking doses to pack on serious mass legally.
There are tons of people who truly need semaglutides to lose weight. There are also tons of people who could accomplish amazing results without.
This post was edited on 10/5/24 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:37 pm to DCtiger1
quote:Well, that's been my argument for the past two pages.
I just want our approach to be multifaceted so I guess that’s too much to ask for.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:38 pm to RaoulDuke504
People can't afford to eat.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:38 pm to killercoconut
I’m going to miss seeing all the lard asses everywhere.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:48 pm to DCtiger1
I think trt is a far, far safer option than these new glp-1s
How much research has been done in these drugs? I’ve only started to hear about it the last couple of years.
How much research has been done in these drugs? I’ve only started to hear about it the last couple of years.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:51 pm to Junky
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I think trt is a far, far safer option than these new glp-1s
You’ve done it now!
Glp-1s have been around since the early 2000s. Its weight loss usage is relatively new.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:54 pm to Junky
quote:Studied for 40 years. Been prescribed to diabetics for 20.
How much research has been done in these drugs? I’ve only started to hear about it the last couple of years.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:55 pm to RaoulDuke504
Ozempic is just masking the underlying problem. The food industry has turned food into a drug.
Weaponizing the body's natural pleasure centers and short circuiting satiety feedback loops has turned the majority of the population into pendulous food junkies.
Kids have Type II diabetes now. Something that was unheard of 50 years ago. Now the US has 350,000 kids with Type II diabetes. That's a canary in the coal mine indicator that something terribly wrong is happening in the food supply.
Ozempic is not the cure. It is just a bandaid on a bleeding artery.
Weaponizing the body's natural pleasure centers and short circuiting satiety feedback loops has turned the majority of the population into pendulous food junkies.
Kids have Type II diabetes now. Something that was unheard of 50 years ago. Now the US has 350,000 kids with Type II diabetes. That's a canary in the coal mine indicator that something terribly wrong is happening in the food supply.
Ozempic is not the cure. It is just a bandaid on a bleeding artery.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 2:05 pm to Ricardo
quote:Agreed, it's a tool in the toolkit.
Ozempic is not the cure.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 2:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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And magic pills have never worked, the weight usually returns in a year or two. We arent really making progress if no one is changing habits, just taking a magic pill.
People want easy solutions to a chronic, deadly problem. A little pill is an easy out to solve their obesity, for a while anyway.
Folks want to lose weight but yet they continue to chug down three to four 20 oz. colas/sodas a day.
They want eat 3 gallons of ice cream a week and eat bags and bags of Cheetos and Doritos.
Folks want to lay on their lazy butts and play with their iPhones for hours on end.
And the list goes on and on.
The old saying, 'there is no free lunch' applies doubly here.
A little pill is only a temporary fix.
The real issue is eating crap 'food', chugging down gallons of soda/colas, eating candy, cookies, cakes, chips, ice cream, snacks that are loaded down with sugar, HFCS, salt, food colors, chemicals, hormones...
Its been termed the SAD diet...the Standard American Diet.
A little pill is not going to solve that.
Bonus tip: To curb your appetite, eat some celery.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 2:20 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
Agreed, it's a tool in the toolkit.
It would be like using a hammer to drive a screw. It might get the job done, but it's the wrong tool.
I don't want to condemn people to a lifetime of drug dependence to solve the problem of a corrupted food supply. The nation is metabolically dysfunctional. We need to demand healthier food. People do not possess the self-control necessary to make good choices. They just don't. The data proves it.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 3:18 pm to Ricardo
How about the morbidly obese take the semaglutide to get them into the ballpark of a normal human being and rfk helps to get some of the government chemicals out of our food supply thereby giving those formerly obese a shot at food that won't sabotage the weight loss.
Sure, an active lifestyle helps but the food going into your body is still 99% of the problem.
Sure, an active lifestyle helps but the food going into your body is still 99% of the problem.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 3:27 pm to CAD703X
Sounds good to me
Posted on 10/5/24 at 4:00 pm to Ricardo
quote:stupid people don’t…I surely do. Maybe just maybe the answer is aggressive (and compulsory) education and a sweeping change to government assistance policies that result in more people eating healthier food. Then, the problem starts to solve itself without more government intervention
People do not possess the self-control necessary to make good choices. They just don't. The data proves it.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 4:09 pm to Ricardo
quote:Too late. Have you looked at the numbers of people permanently living on blood pressure and diabetes meds? That's actually an argument in favor of semaglutides, as they can take one medication to treat the obesity itself and not 4 or 5 meds to treat the various symptoms resulting from the obesity.
I don't want to condemn people to a lifetime of drug dependence to solve the problem of a corrupted food supply.
quote:Agree with all of this, especially your point about people lacking self-control, which is exactly why I think glp-1 is a useful weapon in an overall battle that also includes cleaning up the food supply, encouraging physical activity, eliminating junk and ultra-processed foods and soda from SNAP, among other things.
We need to demand healthier food. People do not possess the self-control necessary to make good choices. They just don't. The data proves it.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 10:55 am to CAD703X
I just don't believe in the necessary evil approach to this problem. I think in the end we will end up doing more harm than good by using pills to solve the obesity epidemic.
The problem is also the solution. The food. The longer it takes for society to get to around to that, the worse the crisis will become. Medication is just going to have things spinning out of control in a myriad of other ways that will require further intervention to deal with those crises.
It's like what happened with the pain control, opioid crisis.
But hey, people love to learn the hard way.
The problem is also the solution. The food. The longer it takes for society to get to around to that, the worse the crisis will become. Medication is just going to have things spinning out of control in a myriad of other ways that will require further intervention to deal with those crises.
It's like what happened with the pain control, opioid crisis.
But hey, people love to learn the hard way.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:04 am to RaoulDuke504
Blue Cross will not pay for Ozempic unless the physician documents the patient has diabetes. If you take Ozempic for weight loss alone, then you either have to pay for all of the cost out of pocket or get your physician to participate in insurance fraud.
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