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re: Amazon to roll out electric vans to fight climate change

Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:26 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:26 am to
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Who's saying to completely remove drilling?


A hell of a lot of people. We had protesters in town this week advocating exactly that.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44312 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:27 am to
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Good, at least someone is trying to do something about the crisis.


What crisis?
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22273 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:37 am to
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Not worse, but something does have to provide energy to recharge.


Other countries have moved to almost entirely renewable energy. If we commit to doing it, it can happen here too. Making excuses like, "We should just use oil because most of our energy comes from fossil fuels anyway!" is just holding us back.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297194 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:39 am to
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If we commit to doing it, it can happen here too.


Get right on it. You can do it man..

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44312 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:41 am to
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Other countries have moved to almost entirely renewable energy.


Which countries?

The only renewable energy source that currently exists that can power a stable grid is nuclear.

Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:44 am to
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The only renewable energy source that currently exists that can power a stable grid is nuclear.


Nuclear is not renewable. Also, no singular renewable will ever power the country, but a robust mix will get us a long way in that direction.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:46 am to
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It’s impossible to know for sure. But Bezos, the world’s wealthiest person and the owner of The Washington Post, travels frequently aboard his own jet, a Gulfstream G650ER.
Flight data examined by The Post show that the luxury jet has embarked on more than a dozen flights a month in 2018, many of them leaving or returning to Seattle, Amazon’s current home.


This is a pretty dumb argument. For one, there are no electric airplanes. Secondly, it has nothing to do with Amazon reducing a huge amount of emissions by using electric delivery vans. It has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297194 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:48 am to
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This is a pretty dumb argument. For one, there are no electric airplanes.


Using a private aircraft for transportation seems like a massive waste.

If you're going to be consistent about reducing fossil fuels, walk the walk.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44312 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:48 am to
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Nuclear is not renewable.


You pick that nit bud.

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Also, no singular renewable will ever power the country, but a robust mix will get us a long way in that direction.


Not current renewables. Solar and Wind will never power a majority of the grid. They're too sporadic simply because of how their energy is produced.

As someone stated earlier, we have the tech to move away from fossil fuel energy production that is stable enough to power the grid (thorium reactors) but the greenies scream bloody fricking murder anytime they're brought up.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:50 am to
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A hell of a lot of people. We had protesters in town this week advocating exactly that.


They are a loud minority.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297194 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:50 am to
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Nuclear is not renewable.


It sure would have solved a lot of problems if we had gone to it more in the 1960's and 1970's.

But People are going to protest regardless of what you do.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:53 am to
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Using a private aircraft for transportation seems like a massive waste.



And switching his company's massive fleet of delivery vans to electric will laughingly offset any burn from his jet or yacht.

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If you're going to be consistent about reducing fossil fuels, walk the walk.



Why? Appeasement?
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 8:57 am
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:56 am to
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You pick that nit bud.


It's not nitpicking. Nuclear fuel materials are demonstrably limited. It's certainly arguable that it could be considered a clean energy source.
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:58 am to
Does he not know to charge those vans, power companies are going to burn fuel?

That, or is he going to install solar panels at each shipping hub? Solar panels break down and are very toxin. Lets save the whales game.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297194 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:59 am to
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Nuclear fuel materials are demonstrably limited. It's certainly arguable that it could be considered a clean energy source.


Which would have reduced our carbon output dramatically.

Most weekend enviros fail to understand there will always be tradeoffs. Something will have to be burned, mined and/or have toxic waste regardless of the type of energy.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297194 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:00 am to
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If you're going to be consistent about reducing fossil fuels, walk the walk.

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Why? Appeasement?


What?

How the hell is that appeasement?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297194 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:01 am to
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a loud minority.


they're generally defining policy for a major political party.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44312 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:06 am to
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It's not nitpicking. Nuclear fuel materials are demonstrably limited.



Thorium is abundant enough on the planet to render this point moot. Hell, it's just being tossed aside right now as a byproduct of rare earth metal mining.

LFTR reactors produce virtually zero nuclear waste, operate at low pressure and require no special cooling, and are virtually incapable of having a meltdown like current nuclear reactors.

But people still scream bloody murder that NUCLEAR R TEH BAD!!!
Posted by RJL2
Bruno's Tavern
Member since Apr 2015
1934 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:09 am to
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So now electric cars are worse for the environment. Makes sense


Not what I'm saying. They certainly are NOT 0 carbon emission though.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29054 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:17 am to
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Does he not know to charge those vans, power companies are going to burn fuel?
This has already been addressed in this thread and exposed as a bunk argument.
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