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Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:31 am to IAmNERD
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The blue collar workforce in the state (ie AL's significant automotive manufacturing industry) has been very resistant to unionizing for a long time. And trust me when I say the unions ha e tried very, very hard to get their foot in the door there with very little success.
There was a time when unions were necessary. I'm sure there are some professions that still need them.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 10:35 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:31 am to IAmNERD
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The blue collar workforce in the state (ie AL's significant automotive manufacturing industry) has been very resistant to unionizing for a long time. And trust me when I say the unions ha e tried very, very hard to get their foot in the door there with very little success.
There were a lot of coordinated articles thrashing Amazon’s work culture in the past couple of months. They coastal elites really wanted the flyover workers to unionize.
It had a shot given the Alabama facility’s location in a former U.S. Steel town.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:31 am to dewster
Not even Bernie Sanders coming down here to energize the unionization efforts helped. 71% of the votes against unionization is pretty overwhelming.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:33 am to Purple Spoon
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In the year 2021, nothing
My only argument for unionizing is when there’s a gap in training from school to real world work. As far as labor practices today, the government has taken that role over in my opinion and unions just muddy the waters.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:34 am to dewster
Good news for the people of Alabama.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:35 am to Displaced
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There are plenty of laws already in place to protect the safety and well-being of employees in this country.
I'm not talking about laws regarding safety and well being. I'm talking about a company as powerful as Amazon just treating their workers like indentured servants.
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Unions serve no purpose except to protect poor workers and promote based on seniority. Kudos to Alabama for this vote.
I agree almost all unions are nothing but extortion schemes of both the worker and the employers, but having a collective voice in this situation against this shitbag company would probably be an advantage.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:35 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Not even Bernie Sanders coming down here to energize the unionization efforts helped.
Yeah when I heard he was making an appearance I just chuckled. Surely he didn't think he would be well received down here. Then again, the majority of his supporters aren't living in reality most of the time. So I guess it's possible he thought it would be a slam dunk. Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:37 am to xer66
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1.5X for anything over 40 hours, 2X for Sundays,
I thought this was already on the books as law.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:38 am to upgrayedd
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Amazon is probably one of the few companies that I would want to be in a union if I worked there. A company that big and powerful will always treat their people like shite.
Obviously the people actually working there don’t share your opinion.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:39 am to dewster
Amazon is a great employer, and their numerous DC's are very good sources of work for a lot of communities that are feeling the pinch of e-commerce. The real cherries are the giant multi-million square foot fulfillment centers like the one proposed in Baton Rouge or the one that was built outside Birmingham. These provide good, competitive starting pay for unskilled labor relative to the market wages for unskilled labor in those communities. It's an excellent asset in a town like Birmingham or Baton Rouge (or Shreveport, where another giant fulfillment center is rumored).
But let's not forget that it's competitive pay for unskilled labor. And this is in a tech-focused company that also deploys thousands of robots in their latest facilities and is constantly looking for ways to improve efficiency. Unionization just didn't make sense despite being strongly supported by the American media.
The goal of the workers in these facilities should be to move up and gain higher wages through experience or advancement. Not through paying part of your earnings to a corrupt union.
But let's not forget that it's competitive pay for unskilled labor. And this is in a tech-focused company that also deploys thousands of robots in their latest facilities and is constantly looking for ways to improve efficiency. Unionization just didn't make sense despite being strongly supported by the American media.
The goal of the workers in these facilities should be to move up and gain higher wages through experience or advancement. Not through paying part of your earnings to a corrupt union.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:40 am to EA6B
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Obviously the people actually working there don’t share your opinion.
Well, I wasn't looking for their validation, so I guess we're square.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:41 am to EA6B
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Obviously the people actually working there don’t share your opinion.
Well it's a bunch of people from Alabama. They love protecting conservative ideologies, so why would they unionize? Why would they want
fair benefits if it hurts their Republican Overlord's bottom line?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:42 am to IAmNERD
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1.5X for anything over 40 hours, 2X for Sundays,
I thought this was already on the books as law.
Yep, “Fair labor standards act”
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:43 am to IAmNERD
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The blue collar workforce in the state (ie AL's significant automotive manufacturing industry) has been very resistant to unionizing for a long time. And trust me when I say the unions ha e tried very, very hard to get their foot in the door there with very little success.
They pushed hard at Nissan in Jackson and Volkswagen in Chattanooga. They failed to get support of the workers in both cases. In fact, VW workers have rejected the UAW twice. I sincerely hope that trend continues.
VW's last plant in New Stanton PA was a union facility. It was known for making some of the worst cars in the country at the time. VW closed the factory.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 10:44 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:44 am to EA6B
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Yep, “Fair labor standards act”
So why is that poster touting his union getting him those benefits?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:44 am to upgrayedd
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I agree almost all unions are nothing but extortion schemes of both the worker and the employers, but having a collective voice in this situation against this shitbag company would probably be an advantage.
To be an effective union you have to have leverage against the company. Generally that leverage is skilled labor. Much of Amazon's workforce isn't "skilled labor". Just like at Wal Mart. They can either automate or find other unskilled labor to perform the job. And because of Amazons' virtue signaling proclivities they are actually pretty fair to their largely unskilled labor force.
If you don't like working for Amazon then go find another job. But those with enough in-demand skill to leverage a company generally don't have trouble finding a job. And it is THOSE people who unions hurt the most.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:44 am to DemonKA3268
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There was a time when unions were necessary. I'm sure there are some professions that still need them.
I challenge someone to list even one.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:45 am to Bluefin
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I'm not kidding, they are literally turned into mulch
Can I get 2-day delivery on that mulch?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:45 am to kywildcatfanone
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Is there a choice? Amazon would probably leave.
I'm not so sure.
One of Amazon's selling points is quick delivery times. If they move they're further from customers in Alabama.
They would have to do a workaround by setting up distribution centers in Pensacola, Columbus, Meridian, Nashville, etc. But that would be more money and trouble than they would save by leaving Alabama. They'd also be playing Whack-A-Mole if other centers unionized.
Workers have more leverage than they think.
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