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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread

Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:54 pm to
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:54 pm to
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WAFB opted to leave the scene at one point after a reporter was robbed of his iPad while standing across the street from where the shooting happened. Police were called and the suspect was arrested.


never change north br
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:55 pm to
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I don't see how that is terribly probable.
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and you don't see any way he could get a gun out?


Again, it doesn't seem probable if they draw their guns that he'd be able to then draw his weapon and shoot them before they could do anything about it.

Again, it doesn't seem probable.

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Sure. Id rather try to tackle a guy than possibly have a gun pulled on me though.
To each his own. I'd feel infinitely safer with a gun pointed at a guy then attempting to tackle him if I knew he had a gun.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112841 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:55 pm to
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A massive point is that they tried non-lethal force first. There was not an intent to kill until the non-lethal force didn't work and the suspect continued to resist while in possession of a deadly weapon.
Oh definitely. Again, I'm not arguing that anything they did was wrong, I'm just pondering if it was the safest action for the 2 cops, not the perp.
Posted by Puck82
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23949 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:55 pm to
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He was pretty clearly moving his right arm at his side like he is reaching for something. The cops clearly verbally warned him multiple times to not do so. At least that's what I saw from what you posted. And he was still moving/struggling after the first two shots are fired.


The officers showed restraint even after the threat of a gun was in effect. The officer drew and still did not fire. Him going for the gun is the catalyst that caused him to lose his life. Nothing about the incident says these cops were out to just kill this man. Everything released shows they tried everything in their power to ensure a non-lethal outcome until their lives were put in jeopardy.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216435 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:56 pm to
Ok. On CNN the head of the NAACP is crying like a bitch as usual.... The guy is a common criminal yet he mentions NONE of that.... The guy has a record as long as my arm yet the BLACK folks NEVER want this brought up.............. frick I AM PISSED............
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
107906 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:57 pm to
Stay in the house peej. We don't need to lose a TD treasure.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91837 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:57 pm to
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You have no idea what you would do and it's becoming clear you have very little clue in general.


It is really incredible how much some of you want to excuse away any and all actions the cops took. The idea that they're beyond reproach because any questions mean you're condoning Sterling's actions is ridiculous.
Posted by adamb2151
Houston, Texas
Member since Jun 2013
6586 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:58 pm to
So glad I dont live in BR anymore when its announced they were justified.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:58 pm to
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Ironically, if he had said "Hands up, Don't shoot" he would still be alive today.

His hands were spread Eagle out and they tackled Him.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:58 pm to
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I mean the course of action they took still resulted in the man's death, and at a minimum seems to put the officers in harms way more than staying at a distance would have done.


So they should have allowed a man with a gun to roam freely about the parking lot and asked nicely until he decided to comply? You're a special kind of stupid
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91837 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:59 pm to
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So a standoff with a volatile (he threatened others with the gun beforehand and pretty clearly resisted being tased multiple times) gunmen who at any moment could reach in his pocket and start shooting. In most cases haphazardly, with people in close enough range they could record it pretty clearly on their phone from a car nearby.


You act like we don't see this kind of decision all the damn time in these situations. In fact, you know what you hardly ever see? A cop tackling an armed subject twice his size.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:59 pm to
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I'd feel infinitely safer with a gun pointed at a guy then attempting to tackle him if I knew he had a gun.


Ok but what if he turns and runs around a car. Now youre exchanging gun fire with a guy in a parking lot where other people are around.

In these situations you want to gain control of this guy BEFORE he gets the gun in his hand. When they tackled him that is exactly what they were trying to do. The situation did not play out that way in this instance but the officers had do act.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:59 pm to
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Police reported a 38-year-old woman was hit in the neck by a bullet as she was sitting in the driver’s seat of a vehicle in the 5000 block of Jackson Avenue near North Foster Drive at around 2:30 a.m.

She was taken to an area hospital with injuries that were classified as not life threatening.

The scene of this shooting is within blocks of the officer-involved shooting that took the life of 37-year-old Alton Sterling outside of the Triple S convenience store on North Foster Drive early Tuesday morning. On Wednesday evening, a vigil and protesters were present.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112841 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 5:00 pm to
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So they should have allowed a man with a gun to roam freely about the parking lot and asked nicely until he decided to comply?
No

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You're a special kind of stupid
That's rich.

Posted by adamb2151
Houston, Texas
Member since Jun 2013
6586 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 5:00 pm to
Sounds like they should alter their chant then.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216435 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 5:00 pm to
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Stay in the house peej. We don't need to lose a TD treasure.



You think I am scared of THEM?????????????


Not a fricking chance....... They need to grow up and realize THEIR people are criminals .... I am sorry the dude got shot, but the African American community needs to realize that its NOT anyone elses fault but their own... And the GUTLESS media will NEVER say what needs to be said.....
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 5:00 pm to
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His hands were spread Eagle out and they tackled Him.


Which video was that on?
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
8605 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 5:01 pm to
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His hands were spread Eagle out and they tackled Him


Normally they weren't
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 5:01 pm to
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safest action for the 2 cops, not the perp.


Was the safest for everyone around. These officers risked their lives to take down an armed, resisting suspect.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91837 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 5:02 pm to
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wish you knew even just a little bit about law enforcement. You would be editing everything you have written in this thread.


Thanks for correcting me with the proper protocol in this situation. I find it comical how many of you want to bash without offering up the correct decision.
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