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re: Alleged video of Ahmaud Arbery shooting leaks
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:51 pm to Chicken
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:51 pm to Chicken
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Sorry I haven't read the whole thread but was the guy that was killed the real burglar?
Unknown
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Did he live in the neighborhood where he was jogging
His father said he lived close by.
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Did the person filming know the person with the shotgun
Unknown.
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Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:51 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Are you serious? Why should he have to stop for these two morons. Are you ok with random citizens with guns stopping you to ask you what you are doing?
I wasn't implying that he should have to stop at all. But guess what, I shouldn't have to give the man who pointed a gun at my face my wallet but I'm did it so I wouldn't get shot and die. I'm not justifying their actions. I'm just saying that those were the choices he had.
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:52 pm to TH03
lack of knowledge here, why is this going to a grand jury and why werent the 2 guys arrested?
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:53 pm to SUB
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He was jogging or passing through the neighborhood and was mistaken as a burglar
In either scenario, the guy filming and the two guys in the truck were intent on apprehending him. Instead of surrendering or just running away, he decided to fight some dudes with guns and got shot.
Someone passing through a neighborhood isn’t cause for a citizen’s arrest unless you know the guy is trespassing on private property (they didn’t) or otherwise clearly committing some crime.
Besides, what’s the appropriate reaction when gun toting strangers roll up on you? The guy probably didn’t know their intentions. How did he know they still wouldn’t shoot him if he ran away or complied? Fight or flight seems reasonable.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:54 pm to NickyT
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lack of knowledge here, why is this going to a grand jury and why werent the 2 guys arrested?
Ystar answer: Racism. Double-secret racism!!!!
Real answer: They're cops. The system always protects cops by default, no matter the skin color involved.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:55 pm to Chicken
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Did he live in the neighborhood where he was jogging?
Why do people keep asking this question?
Runners like to change scenery. He doesn't have to be local to make his presence appropriate.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:55 pm to NickyT
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lack of knowledge here, why is this going to a grand jury and why werent the 2 guys arrested?
Grand jury only determines whether or not the case will go to trial.
Probably not arrested because the dad is a former cop.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:55 pm to LordSaintly
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Someone passing through a neighborhood isn’t cause for a citizen’s arrest
Damn, you all keep jumping to conclusions that I never made. I never said that they were justified in their actions.
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Fight or flight seems reasonable.
I'm not questioning his choice of action. It's not what I would have chosen, but that's me.
We'd all be having a completely different conversation if the video showed him running away / surrendering and still getting shot.
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:56 pm to LSU40
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My entire point of my question was to show or understand is this happened because of his skin color.
You sound educated.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:58 pm to SUB
quote:To be fair, you're also not a black dude in Georgia.
I'm not questioning his choice of action. It's not what I would have chosen, but that's me.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:59 pm to SUB
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I just have a really hard time believing that these guys would shoot the man simply because of race.
Why?
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In either scenario, the guy filming and the two guys in the truck were intent on apprehending him. Instead of surrendering or just running away, he decided to fight some dudes with guns and got shot.
SURRENDERING??? Why the frick would this guy need to surrender to 2 random guys in a pickup truck blocking his path???
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If either scenario above is what happened, what, if anything can these guys be charged with?
MURDER???
Are you under the impression that you're allowed to gun down any person you think may, perhaps, be a burglar?
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:00 pm to TH03
The recused DA said he wouldn't recommend charges being filed bc of the castle doctrine or some shite despite them not being able to pinpoint a crime that arbery committed.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:01 pm to Displaced
quote:well, if he lives 20 miles away from where he was jogging, it could raise some suspicions...still doesn't justify his death.
Why do people keep asking this question?
Runners like to change scenery. He doesn't have to be local to make his presence appropriate.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:02 pm to lsupride87
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Hypothetical.
What if he turns out he was robbing the neighborhood and was the guy on camera?
Will we still be sad and mad?
The only thing alleged that he did wrong that day is looking in a house with construction going on, which isn't illegal.
If we changed the circumstances and he had committed a burglary and was running away with something, you still don't roll up with a shotgun and start blasting.
More to the point, it looks like you have an agenda when you inject "hypotheticals" when we have facts. We know:
-911 caller says man was looking into house under construction, thinks it is related to burglaries.
-Father/son think Arbery is the guy.
-Father/son pull up in pickup and wait for Arbery to jog to them.
-Arbery jogs to them and goes around passengers side.
-Son fires shotgun from driver's side, then Arbery gets to him and fights for gun and two more shots are fired, last of which definitely hits him.
-Dad lies to cops about # of shots and the fact they were waiting for Arbery.
So yeah, I feel bad for Arbery with or without hypotheticals.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:02 pm to arkyhawk
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Why?
If you read the next sentence you'd answer your own question.
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SURRENDERING??? Why the frick would this guy need to surrender to 2 random guys in a pickup truck blocking his path???
Ok man. If you are walking down the street and a truck blocks your path with guns drawn on you, your first choice of action is to fight them with your hands, right?
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:03 pm to Chicken
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well, if he lives 20 miles away from where he was jogging, it could raise some suspicions...still doesn't justify his death.
What suspicions?
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:03 pm to The Egg
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The recused DA said he wouldn't recommend charges being filed bc of the castle doctrine or some shite despite them not being able to pinpoint a crime that arbery committed.
I'm going to go ahead and guess there isn't a whole lot of precedent where the castle doctrine is applied when the defendant is neither in his home nor his vehicle
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:04 pm to SUB
It looks like his first choice was to jog around them. I doubt he assumed they even had guns.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:05 pm to SUB
I watched the video with the family’s lawyer and he was saying there was a level of communication between the two numb nuts and the police prior to the shooting, and that law enforcement was on the scene with in seconds.
He was targeted because of his skin color. It has been over two months and nothing was being done. The local DA passed the case to the next County because of his closeness to the shooter. That DA passed it on also, can’t remember the reason so the State will have to do the investigation.
Just some of the information I picked up.
There was more just watch the videos in the OP.
He was targeted because of his skin color. It has been over two months and nothing was being done. The local DA passed the case to the next County because of his closeness to the shooter. That DA passed it on also, can’t remember the reason so the State will have to do the investigation.
Just some of the information I picked up.
There was more just watch the videos in the OP.
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:06 pm to SUB
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If you are walking down the street and a truck blocks your path with guns drawn on you, your first choice of action is to fight them with your hands, right?
What if he was schizophrenic and off his meds? That would explain the abnormal behavior.
The above scenario is exactly why random citizens shouldn’t be going around pulling weapons on people trying to arrest them.
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