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re: Alcoholism: Why Is It A Disease?

Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:33 am to
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:33 am to
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Alcoholism is a life hack. Christ, that's a new one to me.


I edited my comment and quit engaging that guy; he's a complete moron.
Posted by tigerdude3232
Member since Nov 2009
730 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:33 am to
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Is temporary brain damage even a medical term? like is it possible to have temporary brain damage?


Alcoholism has definite, severe effects on brain function. Except for one specific type of damage, it's mostly reversible after a few years of sobriety. Source: I read a lot.


I wish it was always this easy to cite your source. Can't find anything that says brain damage can be temporary .....I've always thought of brain damage as irreversible and a brain injury is something that will heal.
Posted by Bama and Beer
Baldwin Co, AL
Member since Oct 2010
84680 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:35 am to
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it's really hard to understand til you've been there.
it truly is. Trying to explain alcoholism to a non alcoholic is very difficult and aggregating. That's why I hardly gave the time of day to therapist or councilors who weren't alcoholics or addicts in the past
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:36 am to
No disrespect intended earlier. Just pointing out some things. The problem is removing alcohol (or whatever other substance) is only the 1st step in a very very long process.

And you're exactly right it isn't like other diseases. Cancer is terrible and no one should have to suffer through that. And addicts aren't victims. With some sobriety, most eventually realize they are completely responsible for their addiction.
Posted by tigerdude3232
Member since Nov 2009
730 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:37 am to
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it truly is. Trying to explain alcoholism to a non alcoholic is very difficult and aggregating. That's why I hardly gave the time of day to therapist or councilors who weren't alcoholics or addicts in the past


Its like trying to lie to your mom and she doesn't believe you so you throw a titty fit?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108375 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:38 am to
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No disrespect intended earlier. Just pointing out some things. The problem is removing alcohol (or whatever other substance) is only the 1st step in a very very long process.

And you're exactly right it isn't like other diseases. Cancer is terrible and no one should have to suffer through that. And addicts aren't victims. With some sobriety, most eventually realize they are completely responsible for their addiction.


Yep

I dont think addiction should be viewed simply as a bad habit


I just think a disease in which the negative side effects are brought on by the person, and can be stopped by the person, should have a slightly different term to define it
Posted by tigerdude3232
Member since Nov 2009
730 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:39 am to
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With some sobriety, most eventually realize they are completely responsible for their addiction.


In time most realize they have been a burden to society around them
Posted by Bama and Beer
Baldwin Co, AL
Member since Oct 2010
84680 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:39 am to
Sure
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296307 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:40 am to
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Is temporary brain damage even a medical term? like is it possible to have temporary brain damage?


Temporary brain damage occurs all the time in accidents, overdoses, etc.

It also occurs when you are addicted. Addicts become different people and make terrible choices simply because parts of their brain aren't working the way normal brains work.

On the other side, coming out of addiction has totally changed who I am. My personality is very different and I bear little resemblance to the person I was before I started drinking.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:40 am to
A lot of people get hung up on that. I used to for sure. It really does fit the definition though.

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a particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216133 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:41 am to
How longs it been Roger????
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:41 am to
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In time most realize they have been a burden to society around them


You're exactly right for once! Wouldn't it be great if others did that as well?
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
65114 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:42 am to
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My GF is addicted to watching Investigation ID.



That sounds like research to me. Watch your six, Festus.
Posted by tigerdude3232
Member since Nov 2009
730 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:42 am to
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Is temporary brain damage even a medical term? like is it possible to have temporary brain damage?


Temporary brain damage occurs all the time in accidents, overdoses, etc.

It also occurs when you are addicted. Addicts become different people and make terrible choices simply because parts of their brain aren't working the way normal brains work.

On the other side, coming out of addiction has totally changed who I am. My personality is very different and I bear little resemblance to the person I was before I started drinking.


any sources? I mean I'm sorry your word isn't very strong

Duh you act different, you've removed a non natural chemical from your body. Your brain is just a bunch of chemical balances. Duh bro
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:42 am to
I disagree with you a lot in other threads.

You're always on point in these sir.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216133 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:43 am to
You just don’t get it.......
Posted by tigerdude3232
Member since Nov 2009
730 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:45 am to
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In time most realize they have been a burden to society around them


You're exactly right for once! Wouldn't it be great if others did that as well?


If I have burdened you, I know now your life sucks. I'll make sure to not burden you anymore baby boy
Posted by tigerdude3232
Member since Nov 2009
730 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:46 am to
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You just don’t get it.......


your argument is strong, I'm on your side now
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
86052 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:46 am to
B&B, I admit, I'm not addicted to alcohol, and thus can't completely understand or relate to someone that is. However, I have had someone very close to me addicted, and have been through 2 forced interventions with them, involving the entire family.

I actively participated in the recovery when the family was called in. I believe that what they have to do in order to stop is much, much more difficult than what the average person has to do. I believe that there are some psychological predispositions that many addicts are born with. I think others develop them over time. I don't think it's just a matter of making up their mind to quit.

However, I do think that's the starting point.

My one contention, and I shared this with the counselors and my family, and everyone in the room, was the labeling it a disease. No one could ever give, in my opinion, a true justification for that, except for, well, the AMA defines it as one. I felt like it lessened the responsibility of the addict. And in my case, it did. The alcoholic hid behind the disease aspect.

Just wanted you to know, that's the angle I'm coming from. I've seen the struggle, and know it's not easy at all.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296307 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:46 am to
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I mean I'm sorry your word isn't very strong


You wouldn't believe any evidence that bursts your little belief.

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So alcoholism and all other substance abuse disorders are mental disorders, with a high physical complication rate


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