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re: Alabama places 'failing' label on majority black schools only

Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:28 pm to
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Lets cut to the chase you really just want to say slavery had no bearing on me as a person today. It does not matter what examples I give you.


no i think that what happened in the past sucks but if you more than likely are benefitting from the past you should be grateful or have a more positive outlook on where you get to live.

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You say that as if it is a bad thing that I would have remained in Africa


I knew you were smart USA>Africa
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:28 pm to
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I agree, but we can't take you seriously since your mom is a teacher..

I have to be counted into this now?
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:28 pm to
That's the most horrible thing I've seen all day. I feel ill.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:28 pm to
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What.the.frick? Somebody had to have stolen your computer

I did not say there were no racist comments here. Lol.

But there IS a major contributing factor for why students from poor black areas perform poorly. And the major factor is something other than racism.
Posted by 805tiger
Member since Oct 2011
4557 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:29 pm to
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I knew you were smart USA>Africa


He knows he would of been one of those Nigerian immigrants that came to America smarter than all races...
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:29 pm to
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I can only imagine what this world would be like if the Native Americans controlled their land and if Africa was not pillaged by outsiders.


Wow, do you really want to go down that path?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:30 pm to
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I agree, but we can't take you seriously since your mom is a teacher.

my mom taught in some really black schools when i was growing up, too. one had a principal like joe clark

when i was sick and would go to school with her she'd make me ask him if i was OK if i went that day. intimidating as shite

true story though she would run into old teacher (like 15 years later. i was an adult) at like kroger and it had gotten so bad that the community was begging retired, black and male teachers to go back to those schools b/c there just weren't any role models

most of the guys said it was a lost cause and you could tell they were really torn up about it
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:30 pm to
A great interview on why white America doesn't under these issues.

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This week’s conversation is with Joe Feagin, a sociologist, and a leading researcher of racism in the United States for more than 40 years.


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J.F.: Prejudice is much less than half the story. Because prejudice is only one part of the larger white racial frame that is central to rationalizing and maintaining systemic racism, one can be less racially prejudiced and still operate out of many other aspects of that dominant frame. That white racial frame includes not only racist prejudices and stereotypes of conventional analyses, but also racist ideologies, narratives, images and emotions, as well as individual and group inclinations to discriminate shaped by the other features. Additionally, all whites, no matter what their racial prejudices and other racial framings entail, benefit from many racial privileges routinely granted by this country’s major institutions to whites.





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framing just mentioned. Another key insight is about how long this country’s timeline of racial oppression actually is. Most whites, and many others, do not understand that about 80 percent of this country’s four centuries have involved extreme racialized slavery and extreme Jim Crow legal segregation.

As a result, major racial inequalities have been deeply institutionalized over about 20 generations. One key feature of systemic racism is how it has been socially reproduced by individuals, groups and institutions for generations. Most whites think racial inequalities reflect differences they see as real — superior work ethic, greater intelligence, or other meritorious abilities of whites. Social science research is clear that white-black inequalities today are substantially the result of a majority of whites socially inheriting unjust enrichments (money, land, home equities, social capital, etc.) from numerous previous white generations — the majority of whom benefited from the racialized slavery system and/or the de jure (Jim Crow) and de facto overt racial oppression that followed slavery for nearly a century, indeed until the late 1960s.




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G.Y.: What then are we to make of the concept of American meritocracy and the Horatio Alger narrative — the rags to riches narrative?

J.F.: These are often just convenient social fictions, not societal realities. For centuries they have been circulated to justify why whites as a group have superior socioeconomic and power positions in American society. In the white frame’s pro-white subframe whites are said to be the hardest-working and most meritorious group. Yet the sociologist Nancy DiTomaso has found in many interviews with whites that a substantial majority have used networks of white acquaintances, friends and family to find most jobs over their lifetimes. They have mostly avoided real market competition and secured good jobs using racially segregated networks, not just on their “merit.” Not one interviewee [out of approximately 150 to 200] expressed seeing anything wrong with their use of this widespread system of white favoritism, which involves “social capital” passed along 




LINK



Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
40828 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:31 pm to
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I can only imagine what this world would be like if the Native Americans controlled their land and if Africa was not pillaged by outsiders.



Wow, do you really want to go down that path?




If only the Moors hadn't conquered Southern Europe, where would we be now?
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:32 pm to
I do agree with what you posted there.
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
Uptown NO,LA
Member since Jan 2013
9739 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:33 pm to
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Grandfather died young from basically working his arse off. Dad was in the army and lived on bases until retirement. That side of my family is Irish fresh off the boat in the early 1900s. YOUR family has probably been here longer than mine.


Look I am not trying to get in a pissing contest with you with who family had it worse. I feel for your families injustices.

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The Fair Housing Act has been the law since 1968, that's 47 years. How does that affect success of blacks at all much less in 2016?



My dad was born before 1968 and my grandparents worked there butts off too however the area where they were ALLOWED to live in today still is a low income area despite being a short walk a way from high income areas that are not predominately black. As a you man my dad wanted to start a business. He told me he had a white guy who mentored him in the business tell him you should borrow the money against your parents home this is what he did to get the capital to start his business. Long story short he couldn't because the home not considered a healthy asset because of the location of town it was in.

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The world doesn't owe anyone anything. But what it has is there for the taking. You just have to set your priorities and work hard.



I am well aware of this but I have a problem when other people think blacks have been on the same playing field as other races.

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What do you think the answer is? What is it going to take for blacks to achieve success in this country in your opinion?


Systems have to change.

The blacks who are in these horrible cycles need to pull themselves out of the mess they are in.

Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70178 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:33 pm to
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Somebody had to have stolen your computer


Probably Jameis Winston
Posted by 805tiger
Member since Oct 2011
4557 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:35 pm to
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Probably Jameis Winston


Cam Newton knowingly bought the stolen computer from Jameis...
Posted by arn
Member since Nov 2015
562 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

J.F.: Prejudice is much less than half the story. Because prejudice is only one part of the larger white racial frame that is central to rationalizing and maintaining systemic racism, one can be less racially prejudiced and still operate out of many other aspects of that dominant frame. That white racial frame includes not only racist prejudices and stereotypes of conventional analyses, but also racist ideologies, narratives, images and emotions, as well as individual and group inclinations to discriminate shaped by the other features. Additionally, all whites, no matter what their racial prejudices and other racial framings entail, benefit from many racial privileges routinely granted by this country’s major institutions to whites.


How come every time a black person tries to explain institutionalized racism it sounds like they went crazy with MS Word's thesaurus
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:36 pm to
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Cam Newton knowingly bought the stolen computer from Jameis...
750 pages
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
40828 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:36 pm to
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Cam Newton knowingly bought the stolen computer from Jameis...



Not true. It had "Property of Cammy Cam" painted on it in liquid paper before he threw it out the window.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
15390 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:37 pm to
Nothing in this article explains why a black child cannot go to the free school, eat the free breakfast and lunch, and make good grades to the point of getting a free scholarship at a prestigious (even ivy league) college, and be a doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc. It also does not explain why so many of them do not care about school, avoid their schoolwork, drop out, and start committing crimes.
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
40828 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:38 pm to
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750 pages


As The Institutional Racism Burns
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:39 pm to
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Nothing in this article explains why a black child cannot go to the free school, eat the free breakfast and lunch, and make good grades to the point of getting a free scholarship at a prestigious (even ivy league) college

well here is the sad part. if we had a much larger portion just legitimately graduate (no social promotion) high school, avoid a criminal record, and avoid having kids before marriage, we'd see a mass increase in the standard of living of young black males

now the war on drugs is terrible and one of the worst examples of institutional racism in the US. i will give the community that one all day. however, even in light of the WOD, you can avoid a criminal record (it just may require sacrificing some social standing)
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
Uptown NO,LA
Member since Jan 2013
9739 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:39 pm to
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How come every time a black person tries to explain institutionalized racism it sounds like they went crazy with MS Word's thesaurus





Joe Feagin
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