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AI's next victim: Mgmt Consulting - McKinsey offering staff 9 months full pay to leave

Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:38 pm
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4180 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:38 pm
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McKinsey is offering staff 9 months full pay, career coaching & resume help if they agree to spend the time job hunting to leave the company, in a bid to reduce headcount amid a huge downturn.

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Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
6167 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:42 pm to
They "helped" us through a transition while our business unit was being spun from one company to another.

They were useless. Offered nothing of value.

I'm convinced a lot of their contracts are the result of kickbacks etc.
I don't see how management can see any real value.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12477 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:49 pm to
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I don't see how management can see any real value.

It’s an expensive insurance policy in case shite goes south. Their value is almost exclusively in being able to be blamed if needed.

Also, this is probably less AI and more them being bloated with a bunch of worthless people because they blew up during all that cheap capital time with companies growing, m&a etc on fire. They probably took a huge hit and are just finally right sizing.
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
6167 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:50 pm to
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expensive insurance policy


Agreed.
You're probably spot on.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6404 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:11 pm to
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It’s an expensive insurance policy


I didn't do divestitures, but yes. I walked into more than half of my engagements, and the customer already knew what I was going to find (InfoSec/IT) but they needed us to write it up because nobody was paying attention internally.

AI is still bullshite. Is AI going to actually read a SOC2 cover to cover like I will? Nope. I know (insert Big 4 firm here) doesn't, but I do. Are the PaaS services in scope of the SOC2? Ignore that question, it's a SOC2 to CorporationX. It's fine, I'm sure, don't worry about scope. People don't read that stuff, let alone AI being asked a poorly formed question about unverified data (I consider CPA certified data like SOC1, SOC2, etc as unverified, since almost everyone was an accounting undergrad that got 20 minutes of training as to what a subnet is.)
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4180 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:24 pm to
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It’s an expensive insurance policy

What's the saying? No CEO ever got fired for hiring McKinsey or something like that.
This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 1:45 am
Posted by lsusa
Doing Missionary work for LSU
Member since Oct 2005
4531 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:25 pm to
The two Bobs aren’t going to like this.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28860 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:43 pm to
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They "helped" us through a transition while our business unit was being spun from one company to another. They were useless. Offered nothing of value. I'm convinced a lot of their contracts are the result of kickbacks etc.


Im 99% sure my one real consultant interaction was a scheme between my “CEO” and the “consultant” and her husband.

They said we needed to by Cisco network equipment from a smaller company. Suggested such a company… and because I’m not an idiot, I googled it and found out her husband owned the suggested company.

That night one of my coworkers saw the consultant out at dinner with my “CEO.”

Next week she suggested that we went with that new company and we were able to justify not doing that but we were on her shite list for a long time.

In talking to other people in my industry this was standard practice and very few people called their boss’ bluff or even looked into the suggested company.
Posted by Saunson69
Member since May 2023
1789 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:11 am to
Their employees really are the best of the best. The ones that come from top 5 MBAs are all 34-36 ACTers, 730+ GMAT, Ivy League, many already founded and sold $2 mil+ tech or bio startups in their 20s. I made 2 different years final round interviews to be an associate consultant with McKinsey out of an MBA. My classmates who did get offers were all just super sharp. There are 3 rounds (which to land interview you have to network with 15+ people in first place). Final round is a 4 hour interview, separated into 4 individual 1 hour interviews where you do 4 full different cases with a different person each time on something you've never seen before and expected to solve a full company problem in 40 minutes, first 20 minutes is behavioral. The detail and more importantly accuracy (in interviewer's mind) they expect you to go into is something that maybe 0.01% of people are capable of. I could elaborate more, but if you're not absolute pinpoint accurate exactly how the interviewer thinks the case should be solved, then you're cut. Even if just 1 of 4 thinks it.

The problem in my opinion lies in that they don't have specialization. Someone with a 700 on the GMAT whose been in an industry for 8 years will know how to tackle a problem better than someone with a 760 on the GMAT who was just introduced to the industry yesterday. I think companies should just use internal teams to figure out an issue to a problem than giving 5 McKinsey consultants over a million dollars who have never maybe even heard of that company before, 4 weeks to solve a problem. Plus their job kinda sucks in that they are at the disposal of the client working 60-70 hour weeks and are in a hotel 4 days a week, at home 3 days a week.
This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 12:40 am
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
6167 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:30 am to
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ivy League MBA


Morons

Something like 60% of Wharton students thought median income in US was over $200k. Google it.

It might have meant something long ago.
But, nowadays ivy League means absolutely nothing.

Look at all the times MBA idiots get scammed.
I called out theranos bullshite in 2013. MBA idiots got taken for Billions on that scam.

Nikola had a fake truck and took MBA idiots for billions.

Don't be fooled into thinking these morons are smart. They are nothing more than connected morons.
Posted by Saunson69
Member since May 2023
1789 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:49 am to
Sounds salty to me. Top 10 universities are the brightest. Not saying an LSU student can't be smarter than an Ivy leaguer. That definitely exists, but in general. There's no debating it really. Just like Alabama, UGA, LSU, Ohio St are ranked in top 10 the most years and are top 5 in players in NFL, they're the best football programs. Yeah there are players like Josh Allen who went to Wyoming that was more talented than 99% of the SEC, but LSU, UGA, Bama would still have beaten Wyoming by 4+ TD's even when he was playing. Maybe that video exists surveying a few people, but still doesn't change how the world is.
This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 12:57 am
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
6167 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:57 am to
Hunter Biden is a Yale law alum.

Kentaji brown Jackson is ivy alum.

Sorry, not fricking impressed.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76264 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:27 am to
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AI is still bullshite. Is AI going to actually read a SOC2 cover to cover like I will? Nope. I know (insert Big 4 firm here) doesn't, but I do. Are the PaaS services in scope of the SOC2? Ignore that question, it's a SOC2 to CorporationX. It's fine, I'm sure, don't worry about scope. People don't read that stuff, let alone AI being asked a poorly formed question about unverified data (I consider CPA certified data like SOC1, SOC2, etc as unverified, since almost everyone was an accounting undergrad that got 20 minutes of training as to what a subnet is.)

Speak English please
Posted by Roman Candle Tag
Member since Mar 2016
1450 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:37 am to
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Saunson69


Is our new idiot troll.
Do not engage/
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
38483 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:37 am to
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They "helped" us through a transition while our business unit was being spun from one company to another.

They were useless. Offered nothing of value.


My company also used them through a transition and most of their initiatives were worthless. They were probably decent ideas but without them knowing anything about our industry they offered nothing at all of value. It was a huge waste of money IMO.
Posted by glassart
Member since Apr 2021
284 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 3:46 am to
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Sounds salty to me


You pretty much just listed all the things that you can’t do. I’m guessing hand to hand combat is your specialty, right?

Fix my latte, Einstein
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
10970 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 4:15 am to
If they’re so brilliant, why aren’t they making something besides smart advice?

It’s kind of like ‘how to’ books; there wouldn’t be a market for them if some ‘really smart’, ‘properly credentialed’ advice-giver would only and once-and-forever just give us all the final answer.

I’m all for smart people moving us forward but these consulting firms are full of grifters in what amount to sinecures funded by C-level sloths afraid of their own shadows.

Lots know this and pretty much everyone else can at least sense, if not articulate, this.

It’s just that no one has done anything about it, yet…
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42465 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 5:17 am to
Did you go to A&M? Sounds like you've sucked off a lot of Ivy grads
Posted by HattiesburgTiger5439
Hattiesburg ms
Member since Sep 2023
182 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 5:42 am to
If you ask the right questions, and have the right AI platform it will do what you said it wont.
Start looking for a new career if your younger in age.
Posted by theCrusher
Slidell
Member since Nov 2007
1130 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 6:01 am to
I’m on their mailing list and for the last 2 years all of the “big insights” have been about DEI and ESG.

I can assure you, most of the managers of business don’t have either of these at the top of the list to understand and build a strategy around.

They made themselves irrelevant.
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