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re: After completing "Making of a Murderer" I have to ask
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:09 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:09 am to Darth_Vader
Was he a biker? That might explain it.
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:11 am to Rex
No and defense lawyers are despicable and many judges are weak and it's why our justice system is completely broken.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:11 am to Teddy Ruxpin
The most blatant unfairness institutionalized into our own system of adversarial representation is that the contest of lawyers always favors the party with more money.
Evidence gathering and then pow-wowing for strategies of offense or defense are time-consuming and thus expensive. It should be clear that Steven Avery stood a snowman's chance in hell of an acquittal without those two excellent lawyers he was able to hire only because of his $400,000 settlement from the state of Wisconsin.
I'm not sure the poverty disadvantage could be cured under a permanent professional panel system, because evidence still needs to be gathered for presentation, but at least there experience among professionals would somewhat mitigate the power of lawyerly personas and tricks.
Evidence gathering and then pow-wowing for strategies of offense or defense are time-consuming and thus expensive. It should be clear that Steven Avery stood a snowman's chance in hell of an acquittal without those two excellent lawyers he was able to hire only because of his $400,000 settlement from the state of Wisconsin.
I'm not sure the poverty disadvantage could be cured under a permanent professional panel system, because evidence still needs to be gathered for presentation, but at least there experience among professionals would somewhat mitigate the power of lawyerly personas and tricks.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:12 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Was he a biker? That might explain it.
He is. But there was literally zero evidence to suggest he did the crime and plenty pointing to the fact he was innocent. That didn't stop the judge from declaring him guilty as hell.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:13 am to Rex
I don't think the general population is smart enough to make any decisions.....look at who they elected president.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:13 am to Darth_Vader
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Tell you what, let me recount a story for you about judges.
That's nothing. I went to middle school and high school with dude who's dad was a judge. He was a savage. Booze. Coke. He had two hookers that lived in an apartment on Stumberg. He had the whores pick us up from baseball practice on a regular basis.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:19 am to yellowfin
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I don't think the general population is smart enough to make any decisions.....look at who they elected president.
I'm pretty sure scientists and college professors favored Obama overwhelmingly, but elections involve a giant element of self-interest that should be excluded from the courtroom, anyway.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:24 am to KingRanch
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Didn't read and down voted because Rex.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:29 am to Rex
so three cases over a 21 year period lead you to this conclusion. You know the US has hundreds to thousands of these trails a day.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:31 am to Darth_Vader
I'm not saying it's right, but that's probably why he was found guilty.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:36 am to Rex
You already see how AGs selectively prosecute based on public out rage. I trust my randomly selected peers over what could amount to a mob trial. Hired jurors would be too cozy with the lawyers and judges.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:38 am to Rex
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I think I would prefer a panel of professional judges
The judges in this case at all levels were at least as outrageously incompetent as the jury. Perhaps moreso, as some of the judges' indefensible decisions lead to the jury being steered in directions they otherwise would not have been.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:40 am to Rex
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scientists and college professors favored Obama overwhelmingly
Education doesn't necessarily make you more intelligent. And agenda trumps reality.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:41 am to CadesCove
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Education doesn't necessarily make you more intelligent.
So gen pop is stupid. College grads are stupid. Who's left?
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:43 am to Darth_Vader
You have a right to a jury of your peers. Pretty sure you as an individual can wave that right. Derp
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:48 am to ThatMakesSense
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You watched a slanted documentary, devised by two lesbians and are now fancying yourself as some judicial heavyweight?
I don't get it either, the people that watched this "documentary" then decry about the miscarriage of justice and complain of the lack of intelligence in a typical jury pool never seem to have the objectivity to realize they have been spoon feed selected facts by the producers so they will arrive at a particular conclusion. All of these people are somewhat like those that thought Oliver Stone's JFK was a factual representation of the JFK assignation.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:05 pm to EA6B
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I don't get it either, the people that watched this "documentary" then decry about the miscarriage of justice and complain of the lack of intelligence in a typical jury pool never seem to have the objectivity to realize they have been spoon feed selected facts by the producers so they will arrive at a particular conclusion. All of these people are somewhat like those that thought Oliver Stone's JFK was a factual representation of the JFK assignation.
try again troll
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:06 pm to EA6B
Juries that I have served on haven't been that bad. You get a broad mix.
You notice a lot of people complain about serving, maybe they should take that shite more serious instead of trying to figure out how to get out of it.
You notice a lot of people complain about serving, maybe they should take that shite more serious instead of trying to figure out how to get out of it.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:15 pm to Rex
Part of the problem is that most people on juries are those that didn't have anything better to do and couldn't talk their way out of it. Not always, but most. It's shocking how confusingly some jurors "reason" their way to a decision.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:17 pm to RandySavage
Serving on a jury will destroy your faith (if you have any left) in the CJ system.
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