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re: A student who's exempt from final decides to take final

Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:51 am to
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:51 am to
By exempting them you are essentially dropping a test grade (in this case a zero). If they decide to take the final test after exemption I would then drop the lowest test grade they received.

It shouldnt hurt their score when others essentially got a test dropped and they didn't.

Eta- I suggest putting this in your syllabus beforehand.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 11:53 am
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:51 am to
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Yeah.

What if it hurts them?

Should I say that they cant drop a letter, but they can drop to a lower grade? (A to A-)

Then that's not fair to people with A- where they can only be helped.



Did you set a policy ahead of time where taking the final can only help someone who is exempt?

In the absence of a policy in place, I'd just give them the grade they end up with. They took a gamble and it didn't pay off, shite happens.

Next time, put a policy in place in the syllabus or whatever.
Posted by southernelite
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:52 am to
I had a teacher do this.

Turn in project for C.
Turn in project and case study for B.
Turn in project and case study and take final for an A.

But if you attempted the next grade, you got whatever grade you got for your quality of work.

2 of us took that final.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:52 am to
Why would you exempt anyone who doesn't have an A or A+?

imo since the grading scale has changed those with A- and below have a lot to gain or lose compared to the old grade scale when it comes to finals.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:52 am to
My thought process is the guy who is exempt earned that privilege.

So they enjoy and respect your class enough to go beyond what is required of them.. and would like to participate in an exam to maybe further their knowledge and education that they paid for.. shouldn't be penalized for it.
Posted by Honkus
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:53 am to
Nah man it's lgt
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:55 am to
The policy is if you have an A, youre exempt from the final, and your grade before the final is what you get for the class.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 11:56 am
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:57 am to
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So they enjoy and respect your class enough to go beyond what is required of them.. and would like to participate in an exam to maybe further their knowledge and education that they paid for.. shouldn't be penalized for it.


I see that as well.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:58 am to
So other students don't get a test grade dropped?
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:00 pm to
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The policy is if you have an A, youre exempt from the final, and your grade before the final is what you get for the class.


Then is sounds like you set in place a policy where it shouldn't hurt them if they do take the final.

So I change my answer to drop the final, let them keep the A.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:02 pm to
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The policy is if you have an A, youre exempt from the final, and your grade before the final is what you get for the class.



Correct me if I am wrong, but there's no difference in GPA between an A and an A+ correct?

If so whoever still wants to take the test is probably not going to get a lower grade- although the existence of this thread may prove me wrong .
Posted by OneMoreTime
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:02 pm to
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My thought process is the guy who is exempt earned that privilege.
Right, he earned the privilege to be exempt from the exam. He's choosing to forgo that exemption and take the exam. So at that point he should be treated like any other student in the class, imo
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:03 pm to
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Correct me if I am wrong, but there's no difference in GPA between an A and an A+ correct?


There is now with the plus minus system.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:03 pm to
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Then is sounds like you set in place a policy where it shouldn't hurt them if they do take the final.

So I change my answer to drop the final, let them keep the A.


Makes sense. Thanks, Boo.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:04 pm to
Shouldn't change the rules mid-stream.

I'd clarify that better for next semester.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:05 pm to
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Shouldn't change the rules mid-stream.

I'd clarify that better for next semester.


Well techinaly the rules didnt change...this one just requires an extended interpretation.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:07 pm to
But can you imagine the amount of eyerolls I'll get first day of class during syllabus review when talking about that?

Like someone tried to take a final they were exempt from? :eyeroll:
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:10 pm to
i think it really depends on how it was worded in the syllabus, but i would say let him keep the A.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:32 pm to
Did you ever mention what would happen in your class if you took an exempted final? If not, I wouldn't give the final any credit one way or the other, and just go on the rational that it was exempted and you never gave any sort of indication that it could help or hinder.
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:39 pm to
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