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A question for the health people....diet & lifespan correlation
Posted on 4/10/16 at 9:46 am
Posted on 4/10/16 at 9:46 am
I was just reading that prehistoric humans only lived 20-30 years and in the 1800s mid 30s was the average lifespan and in the 1900s it was nearly 50 years old. Today we're over 70 years. My question is if diet is the main thing that dictates our health, and our diet is our big killer today, in that we eat tons of processed foods which in turn make us fat,unhealthy, and give us heart attacks,high blood pressure,etc. How did older generations who ate unprocessed foods, mainly organic fruits,veggies,and meats, how did they live shorter lives than the average person today. Obviously we have way more advanced medicine and vaccines today, but Im just curious why it is that way especially when people keep pushing organic living as the key to better health.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 9:48 am to dabigfella
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Obviously we have way more advanced medicine and vaccines today
That and when you live outside in the caves and you get hurt with no doctors around, you have a tendency to die over things we call minor today.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 9:49 am to dabigfella
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Im just curious why it is that way especially when people keep pushing organic living as the key to better health.
1. people died from infections back in the day.
2. you get to choose: do you want food soaked in carcinogenic spray, or not? Do you want food that includes DNA from flies and rats, or do you want straight homo sapien, with a tad of Neanderthal, i.e., human as they are presently constituted? I go with non-GMO, and the least toxic means of production possible.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 9:52 am to dabigfella
It's a little early to be high.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 9:55 am to dabigfella
Antibiotics. As guy said before, small things weren't so small before modern medicine. Cancer treatments. Heart surgeries... I mean, a TON is attributed to medical science, really.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 9:55 am to dabigfella
Antibiotics and sterilization
Posted on 4/10/16 at 10:15 am to Hammertime
The big factor is infant mortality rate.
That really screws up the "average" life span. Looking at median lifespans gives a very different picture. Obviously modern medicine is extending lives, but not as much as you would think.
That really screws up the "average" life span. Looking at median lifespans gives a very different picture. Obviously modern medicine is extending lives, but not as much as you would think.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 10:40 am to TheHiddenFlask
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The big factor is infant mortality rate.
Bingo! The infant mortality rate in the U.S. In 1800 was 40%. By 1900 it was around 17%, dropping to less than 5% by 1950. That's childhood deaths before the age of 5.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 10:47 am to dabigfella
As I get older, I think about this subject more. I think for most people modern medicine has helped extend lives but I'm told by my dr that genetics has a lot to do with it also. I don't understand it completely. My grandfather lived to be 93 years old and died in the early 1970s. He grew up on a farm in central Miss. and moved to east central La when he married. He had a farm and 10 kids. My dad was the youngest of the 10 and is the only remaining sibling but is very healthy and active at 84. His brothers and sisters all lived long lives. (He lost a brother in WWII). At 58, I can feel time creeping in on my body at times but mostly feel like I did in my early 30s. My mind still doesn't believe my bodies age. The only med I take is a cholesterol med every night which I've only started doing in the last year. One lifestyle difference I know to be true between me, my dad and my grandfather is that I have not and still don't, do nearly as much physical activity as they did. My grandfather grew up and lived his life on the farm eating fresh vegetables, fresh milk, eggs and butter, pork, chicken and beef and I seriously doubt he ever heard the word cholesterol.
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/10/16 at 10:57 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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That and when you live outside in the caves and you get hurt with no doctors around, you have a tendency to die over things we call minor today.
Hell, a hundred years ago even a lodged kidney stone could kill you, much less a appendicitis.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:23 am to dabigfella
Changes in hygiene and ability to control simple infections through antibiotics are the largest contributors to the increase in life span. Simple infections like food poisoning often proved fatal. Understanding how to control spoilage, bacterial mechanisms for disease, separation of drinking and septic water, antibiotics, etc. played a large role in eliminating early death. Now chronic disease related to diabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's, cancer, etc. are the most common disease processes and are largely influenced by lifestyle factors that increase the aging process of tissues.
Haven't you ever played Oregon Trail fool?
Haven't you ever played Oregon Trail fool?
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:25 am to dabigfella
I hear people blab all the time about extending their life as they stuff their face with tofu and sprouts while sipping a vegetable smoothie. My thought is this, if my South LA diet of rich foods, partying and excessive liquor consumption costs me 5 or even 10 years then I am good with that. I would rather live than exist.
Not really the point of this thread but this is what I think of every time I hear diet and lifespan.
Not really the point of this thread but this is what I think of every time I hear diet and lifespan.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:29 am to dabigfella
you can't compare to cave men
modern folk can extend their life, easily by 20 yrs if they load up on their minerals. it's no longer in the fruits n vegetables. in fact senate document 264 spells it out for all americans
LINK
what to do about it;
LINK
"all chronic illnesses can be traced back to mineral deficiency"
also necessary to understand;
" The foundation of Biochemistry was laid more than a century ago when Rudolph Virchow, one of the foremost scientists of the day, discovered the the human body is composed of an enormous number of tiny, living cells, each made up of an infinitesimal but perfectly balanced quantity of three classes of materials; water, organic substances, inorganic substances.
Water and organic matter, such as sugar, albuminous and fatty substances make up the greater portion of the body. The inorganic [ mineral ] elements, however, although present in very much smaller quantities, are really vital elements; active workers which utilise the organic substances in building the millions of cells of which the body is composed.
The life of these cells is of short duration; millions are constantly breaking down and new ones are just as rapidly being built up; the necessary material for this continuous rebuilding being supplied by the blood stream.
Hence it can be readily seen that, if the blood lacks the necessary of these active, life giving, inorganic elements, the rebuilding process cannot proceed in a normal orderly manner, and the resulting disturbance of the bodily rhythm gives rise to what is called "disease" in one of its many and varied forms.
*** A Shortage or deficiency of one or several of these vital mineral substances may arise from a variety of causes; injuries, self-poisoning, and obscure influences which in many instances science has not yet been able to explain. The fact we have to recognise is that "disease"- the word simply means lack of ease - indicates a disturbance of the bodily rhythm; a disturbance which intereferes with the assimilation and transport of the vital materials essential for the repair and maintenance of living tissues.
Obviously, if the cells do not receive their proper nourishment and are not cleansed of the poisonous waste material resulting from cellular activity, ill-health becomes inevitable."
cell salts, ionic minerals in fulvic acid, and other assorted sources are needed for good health since the soil lacks what it used to have...
Eh?
modern folk can extend their life, easily by 20 yrs if they load up on their minerals. it's no longer in the fruits n vegetables. in fact senate document 264 spells it out for all americans
LINK
what to do about it;
LINK
"all chronic illnesses can be traced back to mineral deficiency"
also necessary to understand;
" The foundation of Biochemistry was laid more than a century ago when Rudolph Virchow, one of the foremost scientists of the day, discovered the the human body is composed of an enormous number of tiny, living cells, each made up of an infinitesimal but perfectly balanced quantity of three classes of materials; water, organic substances, inorganic substances.
Water and organic matter, such as sugar, albuminous and fatty substances make up the greater portion of the body. The inorganic [ mineral ] elements, however, although present in very much smaller quantities, are really vital elements; active workers which utilise the organic substances in building the millions of cells of which the body is composed.
The life of these cells is of short duration; millions are constantly breaking down and new ones are just as rapidly being built up; the necessary material for this continuous rebuilding being supplied by the blood stream.
Hence it can be readily seen that, if the blood lacks the necessary of these active, life giving, inorganic elements, the rebuilding process cannot proceed in a normal orderly manner, and the resulting disturbance of the bodily rhythm gives rise to what is called "disease" in one of its many and varied forms.
*** A Shortage or deficiency of one or several of these vital mineral substances may arise from a variety of causes; injuries, self-poisoning, and obscure influences which in many instances science has not yet been able to explain. The fact we have to recognise is that "disease"- the word simply means lack of ease - indicates a disturbance of the bodily rhythm; a disturbance which intereferes with the assimilation and transport of the vital materials essential for the repair and maintenance of living tissues.
Obviously, if the cells do not receive their proper nourishment and are not cleansed of the poisonous waste material resulting from cellular activity, ill-health becomes inevitable."
cell salts, ionic minerals in fulvic acid, and other assorted sources are needed for good health since the soil lacks what it used to have...
Eh?
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 11:30 am
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:54 am to dabigfella
Modern medicine is a wonderful thing. We've come so far in 100 years.
That being said, we've come so far, the opposite way, in our eating. In the late 1800s-early 1900s, Americans were, on average, the tallest and most healthy individuals. Now, we are shorter, fatter, and less healthy.
I don't know, this nation use to rock.
That being said, we've come so far, the opposite way, in our eating. In the late 1800s-early 1900s, Americans were, on average, the tallest and most healthy individuals. Now, we are shorter, fatter, and less healthy.
I don't know, this nation use to rock.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:00 pm to jbgleason
My grandma is 82 and works 5 days a week. Her mom lived to 103 and smoked and drank coffee all day. Both never left South Louisiana. I don't think it has as much to do with diet as it does with activity level.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:31 pm to Hammertime
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I don't think it has as much to do with diet as it does with activity level.
me thinks you over look the contents of the food as opposed to the types
because without enuf minerals, they would not have been active!!!
by that, I mean, what they consumed, more likely had a higher mineral content than not the proof was their activity
read my links
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:46 pm to retired trucker
No. They ate/eat whatever they wanted at the time
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