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re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:36 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:36 am to SammyTiger
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People don’t want to limit gun purchasing on mental illness
They don't?
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:37 am to Fat Harry
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Mental health checks should be required.
There can be an appeals process.
That's CERTAINLY not a massive slippery slope.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:37 am to grizzlylongcut
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But by God I want to be prepared and able to adequately defend myself should I find out they're not.
Who is stopping you?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:37 am to SammyTiger
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Semi-auto rifles would be a sacrificial lamb.
Handguns have just as little utility and kill way more people.
I agree. I respect you at least slicing through the tropes to get to the root of the issues here.
Granted, we're probably mortal enemies and you're probably a prime reason why people like me need to retain our right to bear arms, but it makes the discussion more constructive.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:37 am to Pettifogger
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Exhibit A of why gun control advocates have no credibility
Also, imagine the utter stupidity of this ban when deaths from semi-auto rifles are a drop in the bucket of gun deaths in the country.
so go ahead give me a good use for these in modern life right now that cant be accomplished with a handgun. and you are demonstrating the biggest problem with the argument from your side anyway.
Multiple people in here have offered multiple different ideas and every response amounts to "nuh-uh I don't like it it's stupid" or "It won't do anything anyway why bother". And this is the crux of the political spectrum in this country right now. All or nothing every time and we keep spinning our wheels while fringe extremist lunatics commit atrocities.
If you read all that an automatically got a political party in your head I was referring to. Notice it didn't refer to any. That means you are part of the problem.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:38 am to BugAC
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Here's the thing, we don't know that yet. You said it was a rumor, so we can't just run with it. Secondly, the Buffalo shooter was on EVERYONE'S RADAR and yet he still slipped through the cracks. How?
If he was on everyone's radar, than the sort of Canadian third party background check that looks for evidence of recent or past violent rhetoric and threats would have potentially flagged him.
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Yes, possibly. But, what if he didn't acquiesce to these checks? What if he got the gun illegally?
See my final point. Use the vast toolset of America and unshackle the ATF to go after the vast network and supply chain of illegal firearms and use both carrots(gun buyback) and sticks(federal and state emphasis and enforcement with a revitalized ATF) to go after the illegal supply chain.
As I said from the onset, no singular proposal is a magic bullet or panacea. But the idea that because the solution isn't that magic bullet we should instead remain in neutral and do nothing, really isn't a compelling counter argument for me.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:39 am to DownSouthCrawfish
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Yes let’s continue to do nothing
Fing security would make a world of difference. Some rando shouldn’t be able to get into a school lobby much less a classroom so easily. It’s cheap and effective. Yet someone not enrolled can easily walk into many campuses. Doesn’t make any sense.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:43 am to Joe_Dirte
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Fing security would make a world of difference. Some rando shouldn’t be able to get into a school lobby much less a classroom so easily. It’s cheap and effective. Yet someone not enrolled can easily walk into many campuses. Doesn’t make any sense.
What I don't know is how did he get in? Was the door open and he was able to just walk in? Back when my kids were still in school they kept the doors locked and you had to ring a doorbell and get buzzed in.
Of course a person could still break in but at least that would make them work for it some and buy a little time
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:43 am to Joe_Dirte
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Fing security would make a world of difference. Some rando shouldn’t be able to get into a school lobby much less a classroom so easily. It’s cheap and effective. Yet someone not enrolled can easily walk into many campuses. Doesn’t make any sense.
I mean the racist shooter last week simply shot the armed security guard first, and the Parkland massacre had an armed Sheriff's deputy on duty and at the school.
The timeline is still unclear so I dont want to speculate too much, but it would appear the cops chased the shooter, he crashed his car, broke into the school, barricaded himself in a classroom, and the cops waited for federal agents before doing anything, and by that time 21 people were dead.
So I'm not sure it's that simple, but yes, more security is probably not a bad idea right now.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:45 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Who is stopping you?
See the women and the queers on social media. They're all for nobody being able to protect themselves.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:46 am to mindbreaker
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so go ahead give me a good use for these in modern life right now that cant be accomplished with a handgun.
Do you not see the flaw in your argument for wanting them banned?
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fringe extremist lunatics commit atrocities.
Are these extremist sane and rational?
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:47 am to Clames
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You think gun-control advocates haven't had a plan to chip away at the 2nd Amendment and effectively banning gun-ownership by making the process too onerous and expensive for all but the wealthy elites and governments since the 1970's?
Americans own 400 million firearms. 1.2 for every single American. Now tell me again how it is such a high bar to buy a gun in America.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:48 am to SammyTiger
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It’s the victims of the guns who can’t live with it and you’re not sorry so don’t pretend to be.
I would like for you to point to me where any single one of us that want to protect our rights guaranteed in the 2A are ok with what happened yesterday?
I'm not giving up my right to self protection laying down either way.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:49 am to SammyTiger
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I’ll just do MY OWN research instead of yours for you.
that was the best you do? Hilarious, no wonder you're a dumbshit with a grade school intellect. From the CDC study:
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Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.
So yes, when looked at widely, self-defensive use of firearms is extremely common. Maybe if you weren't such a lazy sack of crap you'd have a deeper understanding of this topic and I wouldn't have to spoon-feed it to you...
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:50 am to grizzlylongcut
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See the women and the queers on social media. They're all for nobody being able to protect themselves.
So women and queers on Twitter are stopping you from shooting a crazy person from coming in your house or taking your guns from you? That's not how it works. Annoying the shite out of you? Yea. Actually meaning anything? No.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:50 am to Vamos Brandonos
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We need unrestricted access to guns to protect ourselves from the government.
Where is the line that you start shooting at government officials?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:51 am to Clames
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Clames
You're a good man. I argue that every single piece of gun control legislation that's ever been enacted is grossly unconstitutional.
IDGAF what SCOTUS says on the matter.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:51 am to mindbreaker
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I find it amusing when people try to act like gun restrictions in one city are indicative of what would occur would a nation wide gun restriction is enforced. I mean is isn't like its hard to drive a couple hours to buy a gun legally.
I see you missed the important part of the quote. Here ya go.
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It hasn’t in Chicago or NYC. Matter of fact, in NYC, Murders increased by 10%, while citywide shooting incidents decreased by 1.3% in 2021..
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:53 am to iwyLSUiwy
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So women and queers on Twitter are stopping you from shooting a crazy person from coming in your house or taking your guns from you? That's not how it works. Annoying the shite out of you? Yea. Actually meaning anything? No.
I'm saying that they would if they could. I'm saying that every person that enjoys their liberties and rights guaranteed by the US Constitution ought to be very vigilant and speak out against those types of people espousing those incredibly dangerous ideas.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:53 am to SoonerK
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Now tell me again how it is such a high bar to buy a gun in America.
I never said it was a high bar you dishonest shite. It's supposed to be easy, as it should be for every individual civil right. Free speech, freedom of religion, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, freedom to plead the 5th, none of that should have a high bar. Is that hard for you to understand for some reason?
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