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re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:23 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:23 am to SammyTiger
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What if you present the problem as “how do we limit the harm bad people can do or how can we make bad people less effective at doing bad things”
This questions point you to guns.
Incorrect, it points you to bad people. Let's get them treatment or a permanent check in to an institution.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:24 am to BugAC
This isn’t something that hasn’t been done elsewhere.
They did this in Australia and saw reduction in mass shooting,l and gun related o
Homicides without an real change to non-gun related homicides
They did this with a national buyback program and struck regulations for registered guns.
And the first step is just to stop selling certain guns legally. That’s very easy to enforce.
They did this in Australia and saw reduction in mass shooting,l and gun related o
Homicides without an real change to non-gun related homicides
They did this with a national buyback program and struck regulations for registered guns.
And the first step is just to stop selling certain guns legally. That’s very easy to enforce.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:26 am to OweO
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How do you determine if someone is "good"?
I don't. But by God I want to be prepared and able to adequately defend myself should I find out they're not.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:26 am to Bronc
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If this kid bought his guns off the internet from a private seller(or received an inconclusive federal background check from a recent purchase), a simple universal background check, or extending the waiting period or time to complete a background check, may have thrown a flag.
Here's the thing, we don't know that yet. You said it was a rumor, so we can't just run with it. Secondly, the Buffalo shooter was on EVERYONE'S RADAR and yet he still slipped through the cracks. How?
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If this kid was required to be licensed, have guardians and third party references cross checked, and wait 28 days like in Canada, very possible something surfaces that denies him access to buying 2 AR-15's.
Yes, possibly. But, what if he didn't acquiesce to these checks? What if he got the gun illegally?
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Heck, if the kid maybe had more ease of access to mental care, he might have been saved by the system before a tragedy occurred.
Agreed, but how do you force him to do so?
You can't guarantee legislation fixes the issue. The issue is evil and derangement can't be stopped with a "1 step solution fix for all". Every single mass shooting is unique and different. Some happen with illegal firearms. Some happen with parents guns. Some happen legally purchased firearms. Some transactions are not followed up on. There isn't legislation out there that is foolproof. Which i'm sure you agree with. The problem is what happens when your new legislation fails, and another school shooting happens? More legislation?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:26 am to Steadyhands
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Incorrect, it points you to bad people. Let's get them treatment or a permanent check in to an institution.
People don’t want to limit gun purchasing on mental illness but you want to permanently institutionalize people before they commit a murder?
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:28 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:26 am to BugAC
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Why can't you tell us what "gun restriction" you want that would have prevented yesterday? How is this a hard thing for you to answer?
Oh there are plenty. Age restrictions on guns We are okay telling an 18 year old they can't drink or smoke but okay giving them semi-automatic rifles.
More extensive background checks for every new gun purchase.
No more private selling of guns at all. You want to sell your guns. You have to sell them to a licensed dealer. Not your buddy you work with who seems like a good guy but you know nothing about.
lastly universal ban on all semi-automatic rifles. there is literally no use for them besides "they are cool to shoot" which oddly enough I agree with and "Gubment might come get us"
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:28 am to The Spleen
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We know. Gun nuts have made it abundantly clear that their right to possess their pew-pews is more important than a school kid’s right to attend school without threat of being riddled with bullets.
I have a right codified by law via the 2nd amendment to keep and bear arms. Sorry if your piece of shite left wing cocksucking arse can't live with that. Go move to Europe, douche bag.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:28 am to SammyTiger
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This isn’t something that hasn’t been done elsewhere.
What is the population of each, and compare the gun ownership of each prior to Australia's banning of guns?
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They did this with a national buyback program and struck regulations for registered guns.
Pretty sure many communities here have done this. Hasn't stopped anything.
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And the first step is just to stop selling certain guns legally. That’s very easy to enforce.
Which guns? Overwhelming majority of guns used in shootings are hand guns. Just AR's? Do you think that would have stopped yesterday? And why AR's?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:30 am to whatiknowsofar
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gun reform
What does this entail?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:31 am to whatiknowsofar
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More guns in the hands of good people.
Less guns in the hands of bad people.
It's almost as if......a reform of sorts.....would help with this...
Who decides who's good and who isn't?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:31 am to Pettifogger
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you might want to make it a little less obvious that you're all around hostile to the very existence of those people.
You seem to be projecting and making quite the unqualified leap here buddy. I simply stated I'm not sure why the burden is somehow on me to "convince America" when the majority already agrees with my proposals?
If we want to dive into the efficacy argument, I'd be fine linking studies or summarizing, but when you preface a response by saying no matter what, facts be damned, I'm not supporting or changing my mind, there is very little reason to waste my time on persuading them.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:31 am to mindbreaker
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lastly universal ban on all semi-automatic rifles. there is literally no use for them besides "they are cool to shoot" which oddly enough I agree with and "Gubment might come get us"
Exhibit A of why gun control advocates have no credibility
Also, imagine the utter stupidity of this ban when deaths from semi-auto rifles are a drop in the bucket of gun deaths in the country.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:33 am to grizzlylongcut
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Sorry if your piece of shite left wing cocksucking arse can't live with that.
It’s the victims of the guns who can’t live with it and you’re not sorry so don’t pretend to be.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:33 am to mindbreaker
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Age restrictions on guns We are okay telling an 18 year old they can't drink or smoke but okay giving them semi-automatic rifles.
How does this prevent mass shootings?
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More extensive background checks for every new gun purchase.
How does this prevent mass shootings?
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No more private selling of guns at all. You want to sell your guns. You have to sell them to a licensed dealer.
Kind of goes against private property. I won't take a position on this as i'm not fully opposed to private selling restrictions, but i also don't see how this would stop mass shootings.
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lastly universal ban on all semi-automatic rifles.
Overwhelming majority of mass shootings are with handguns. How does this stop mass shootings?
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there is literally no use for them besides "they are cool to shoot" which oddly enough I agree
There is no use for a lot of things, but we aren't in the business of letting a government decide what is "of use" and what is not, are we?
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and "Gubment might come get us"
Personally, i'm in favor of the 2nd amendment for protection, and recreation. But the .5% chance that an authoritarian government might use it's agencies to impose draconian measures on it's people, i'll be damn glad i have at least a perceived fighting chance.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:34 am to Bronc
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We really can't say that
I'm pretty much on your side with this, I wouldn't waste precious debate time with me
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If this kid bought his guns off the internet from a private seller(or received an inconclusive federal background check from a recent purchase),
Didn't realize that was the case.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:34 am to Pettifogger
Semi-auto rifles would be a sacrificial lamb.
Handguns have just as little utility and kill way more people.
Handguns have just as little utility and kill way more people.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:35 am to Bronc
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You seem to be projecting and making quite the unqualified leap here buddy. I simply stated I'm not sure why the burden is somehow on me to "convince America" when the majority already agrees with my proposals?
Posting statistics about universal background check support and then telling me it supports the idea that Americans already agree with going before a panel to get approval to buy a gun doesn't track
On a broader, but equally important level, statistics about cliche phrases have shown to be pretty useless, especially of late. For example, contrast polling about whether Roe should be overturned with actual American positions on specific abortion questions. The same is likely to bear true when talking about "do you support being able to suspend firearms for the mentally ill" vs. "do you support a system where your neighbor can report you as crazy and the local Sheriff can take your firearms until you go before a board of 3 psychologists in your town to get them back?"
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:35 am to Bronc
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First would be subjecting private sales to the same requirements retail sales require.
Not enforceable. Several states have had such laws for years and they've proven ineffective. Are you dumb enough to believe in the whole "gunshow loophole" lie?
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In Canada for instance
Canada doesn't have a 2nd Amendment, a codified individual civil right to firearms ownership. I don't why that is such a difficult concept for some of you to grasp. Here's a good little mental exercise for you; take everything you've suggested and apply it to all the other rights in the BoR.
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You could also allow the ATF to actually do their jobs. Right now they are so understaffed and legislatively locked into adhering to out of date processes that has backed up the system months, even years(and thats before getting into the bans on allowing the ATF to just put together a searchable database of gun registrations to make policing and doing their job actually functional).
bullshite the ATF is understaffed. Here's a bit of history for you: the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act came about mostly due to abuses by the ATF "doing their jobs". Harassing legally operating FFL's in order to shut them down. Also why FOPA has a provision to ban the ATF from establishing an electronic database of firearms owners and the defacto registration that goes with it.
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You could then focus the FBI and other federal agencies into a national gun buyback program and place new emphasis and funding on shutting things down like the Iron Pipeline, where black market dealers funnel guns from lax gun states to restrictive states for profit. Australia managed a program like this and the black market price for a pistol jumped from a thousand or so dollars to nearly 15 thousand dollars due to removing an enormous amount of guns from circulation and reducing the supply side. Therefore making the barrier to attaining a pistol for criminal activity prohibitively expensive, if they can even find one.
A. Australia is an island that shares no border with any other significant landmass.
B. 7 years after Australia passed the 1996 laws, the number of guns owned by Australians exceeded the numbers before the law. So no, there was no "enormous removing" of guns from the supply side.
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And none of that is "banning" guns
Dishonest clown. You think gun-control advocates haven't had a plan to chip away at the 2nd Amendment and effectively banning gun-ownership by making the process too onerous and expensive for all but the wealthy elites and governments since the 1970's? Nothing, and I mean nothing, you've stated here is original and all of it is why gun owners in this country fight every single encroachment on the 2A no matter how "sensible" idiots like you think they are being. That's why there is no compromise, you don't know what the word means...
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:35 am to John_V
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On an anti-depressant???? No gun for you
On adderall for work/school? No gun for you
Saw a psychiatrist in an Inpatient facility once? No gun for you
You're a hardcore MAGA guy, that could be seen as some mental instability to some people??? No gun for you
Not that black and white, but you should have to get cleared by your healthcare provider. They already make you do this to get a concealed carry license unless you lie on your form.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:36 am to Areddishfish
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They already make you do this to get a concealed carry license unless you lie on your form.
where the hell is this
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