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re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:11 am to BugAC
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:11 am to BugAC
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So, your "law" to prevent this is to ban/confiscate all guns? How is that a viable option? How does that work? How do you implement it?
Obviously you would have to amend the 2nd amendment. Which of course won’t happen, but should.
Ban semi automatic handguns, rifles shotguns and pump action shotguns.
Stop selling them. Call for law abiding citizens to turn them in, and have heavy penalties for possessing them.
Now lots of guns won’t be turned in, and there will still be a lag in gun gun violence but as move to get guns off the street it will be harder to replace them.
The problem with most gun control laws now is that breaking those laws is a matter of a car ride to an area without gun control. It’s not a black market deal with a gun runner.
I think guns have long since failed the cost/benefit analysis. They’re not a net positive for society.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:13 am
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:13 am to SammyTiger
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Call for law abiding citizens to turn them in
What about the ones that don't abide by the laws? You know, like the ones that shoot up schools.Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:16 am to SammyTiger
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Obviously you would have to amend the 2nd amendment. Which of course won’t happen, but should.
Ban semi automatic handguns, rifles shotguns and pump action shotguns.
Stop selling them. Call for law abiding citizens to turn them in, and have heavy penalties for possessing them.
I applaud your honesty, Comrade.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:17 am to Pettifogger
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People who want guns banned largely do it because they hate people who like guns, not because they think it will make any difference. It's just a war for them to wage against a perceived enemy.
This is so true. I used to be a gun owner and then they fell out of my boat. I have several friends that are gun enthusiasts. Build their own etc and shoot regularly, but it is weird the amount of hate out there and it is out of pure ignorance. It is pretty interesting to see someone that has never shot a gun before go through training and shoot. They come out a changed person.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:19 am to SammyTiger
Sammy -
Given that the loudest gun control advocates are also behind the complete decline in enforcement/punishment for violent crime right now, how do you reconcile that?
Are we to believe that now the powers that be will go after guns in violent (minority) areas, after two years of abandoning enforcement for political purposes?
Isn't there a major credibility gap here? What would you say to someone who expects based on real world action that the new law will be primarily enforced against suburban dads who think the wrong way and don't hurt anyone rather than the people actually committing armed robberies and murders around the country on a daily basis?
Given that the loudest gun control advocates are also behind the complete decline in enforcement/punishment for violent crime right now, how do you reconcile that?
Are we to believe that now the powers that be will go after guns in violent (minority) areas, after two years of abandoning enforcement for political purposes?
Isn't there a major credibility gap here? What would you say to someone who expects based on real world action that the new law will be primarily enforced against suburban dads who think the wrong way and don't hurt anyone rather than the people actually committing armed robberies and murders around the country on a daily basis?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:21 am to mindbreaker
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so you are willfully ignoring the correlation between being the country with the highest number of guns per resident and also leading in the amount of gun related homicides and school shootings
Cherry-picked bullshite is all you posted. I know, I know...you smooth brain asswipes can only think to the depth of what your 1st page Google results allow but if you actually did a bit of real research and some critical thinking you'd see there is no such correlation when all the proper context is factored in.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:23 am to UpToPar
How many used guns purchased from legal gun shops?
Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech.
Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:26 am to SammyTiger
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I think guns have long since failed the cost/benefit analysis. They’re not a net positive for society.
You think that way because you are clueless.
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Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies (Kleck, 1988; Kleck and DeLone, 1993; Southwick, 2000; Tark and Kleck, 2004).
Also, lawful defensive use of firearms far outstrip the numbers used in violent crimes. So yes, there is obviously a net benefit but you actually have to know what you are talking about to grasp that fact.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:29 am to Vamos Brandonos
I think crazy people are going to get a gun and kill people if they want to.
That being said, stricter gun laws could only help. I have probably 15 guns, and wouldn't care a bit if I had to take a few more steps to get one. Even if the stricter gun laws helped stop ONE school shooting a year, it would be worth it.
I do strongly disagree with teachers needing to be trained to use a gun/have a gun with them at school. These people signed up to be teachers, not Police. A 70 year old English teacher does not need to learn to carry a gun. It wouldn't help and teaching is their job, not gunning down a shooter. You'd get about %80 less people wanting to be teachers than you do now, and they already don't get paid enough.
That being said, stricter gun laws could only help. I have probably 15 guns, and wouldn't care a bit if I had to take a few more steps to get one. Even if the stricter gun laws helped stop ONE school shooting a year, it would be worth it.
I do strongly disagree with teachers needing to be trained to use a gun/have a gun with them at school. These people signed up to be teachers, not Police. A 70 year old English teacher does not need to learn to carry a gun. It wouldn't help and teaching is their job, not gunning down a shooter. You'd get about %80 less people wanting to be teachers than you do now, and they already don't get paid enough.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:30 am to SammyTiger
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How many used guns purchased from legal gun shops?
And you think purchasing guns will cease once they are banned? Guns are crossing our southern boarder every day. That would increase ten fold if guns were banned here.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:31 am to Clames
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This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:31 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Even if the stricter gun laws helped stop ONE school shooting a year, it would be worth it.
What if those stricter gun laws prevented ONE abused spouse from purchasing a gun to protect herself from her abuser?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:32 am to Clames
Your study shows that you’re less likely to be injured if You have a gun not that guns are used more often in defense than by the aggressor.
Share this statistic.
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Also, lawful defensive use of firearms far outstrip the numbers used in violent crimes.
Share this statistic.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:33 am to iwyLSUiwy
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I do strongly disagree with teachers needing to be trained to use a gun/have a gun with them at school. These people signed up to be teachers, not Police. A 70 year old English teacher does not need to learn to carry a gun. It wouldn't help and teaching is their job, not gunning down a shooter. You'd get about %80 less people wanting to be teachers than you do now, and they already don't get paid enough.
It would not be mandatory. It would be 100% voluntary. The training and CE would be paid by the school. They would also get get a bonus pay for being certified. The gun will be kept in a lock box. Their job would not be to prevent the shooting (that is impossible), but rather to mitigate the damages.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:33 am to DownSouthCrawfish
what are you proposing?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:35 am to cahoots
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Right now, more people are arming up and gun violence is increasing.
It was going down until the pandemic. Mass shootings have increased almost 15% in two years.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:35 am to cahoots
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Right now, more people are arming up and gun violence is increasing. That trend holds true across the country too, not just in big left-leaning areas. So why is that occurring?
People have been "arming up" for a while. I wonder if maybe something else has contributed to the sharp rise in gun violence we've seen over the last two years.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:35 am to cahoots
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Right now, more people are arming up and gun violence is increasing.
Maybe more people are arming up because violence is increasing. They see people rioting and not being charged. Other criminals doing criminal things and being let off.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:36 am to TDFreak
Just playing Devils advocate...
Who is taking away your guns? That's not going to happen. Ever. The government is not going to come to your house and take away your guns. Hell even Obama said he wasn't going to take away your guns. Certain politicians might try and take steps in that direction, but it's not going to happen.
If stricter guns laws helps the body count, which I think it would to a very small degree, I'm all for it. I don't see how someone, especially a parent, wouldn't mind it being a little harder for them to get a gun. If it keeps one less school getting shot up, or one less kid for that matter, it makes it worth it.
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God, it would kill me if this happened to my child. I asked myself: would the government taking away all the guns really prevent this?
Who is taking away your guns? That's not going to happen. Ever. The government is not going to come to your house and take away your guns. Hell even Obama said he wasn't going to take away your guns. Certain politicians might try and take steps in that direction, but it's not going to happen.
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Maybe the body count would be less. But we could never 100% assure ourselves schools would be safe for our kids.
If stricter guns laws helps the body count, which I think it would to a very small degree, I'm all for it. I don't see how someone, especially a parent, wouldn't mind it being a little harder for them to get a gun. If it keeps one less school getting shot up, or one less kid for that matter, it makes it worth it.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:36 am to Rize
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I’d rather deal with guns then Fentanyl.
You have to voluntarily ingest drugs to die
You don't volunteer to get murdered
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