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Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:23 am to 75503Tiger
Read the book Empire of the Summer Moon
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:34 am to Penrod
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You are judging them using modern values. In those days ALL PEOPLES believed in the right of conquest. The Cherokees conquered land from aborigines; the Norse from the French, the British from the Asian Indians, the Russians from the Slavs, the Mongols from the Russians, the Chinese from the Mongols, the Japanese from the Koreans and Chinese; it goes on forever.
Ah spare me. The land was stolen from them, full stop. Yes people have have conquered other people over time but that doesn’t mean it was morally right or that even back then people thought ah whatever they have the right to conquer me after all. I mean that’s just a ridiculous argument to make.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:35 am to DavidTheGnome
So?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:43 am to NIH
Or as stupid as drinking grape Kool aid with Jim Jones. Have at it.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:47 am to 75503Tiger
Yikes on bikes - to this whole thread
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 10:48 am
Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:01 am to Mo Jeaux
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So?
Not even sure how to respond to that. It seems as if y’all are running defense for the early white settlers of the US and what they did to the population that was already here in order to cover for the "white race" so there would be no guilt or something. Not sure.
But I guess if the Chinese come and take us over and turn the US into New China, and instead of smallpox blankets they gave us Covid etc, no harm no foul and you wouldn’t have any issues with that "because people have been doing it all throughout history".
Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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IF you ever want to see how communism doesn't work, visit a reservation or native village.
The poorest tribes are those that embraced government and rejected western values. The two wealthiest tribes are thought to be the Seminoles and the EBCI. One of them cleared two billion in revenue last year, while western tribes in particular struggle to get running water.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:23 am to alexahet
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Yikes on bikes
Are you a youth minister?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:37 am to NIH
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I’ve always thought refusing the jab is as brave as Custer’s last stand
Go f....get another booster.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:51 am to DavidTheGnome
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full stop
full cünt
Posted on 1/23/22 at 12:15 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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TigerOnTheMountain
Thanks for sticking with me on this thread. I think that what bugs me the most is that we did not conquer them in an honorable battle, we lied and manipulated them to win what we took
Posted on 1/23/22 at 12:38 pm to 75503Tiger
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I think that what bugs me the most is that we did not conquer them in an honorable battle, we lied and manipulated them to win what we took
That’s exactly what happened and I don’t understand why some people take offense to this reality and side with the government on this. The Cherokee believed the feds were acting in good faith and by the time they fully understood that they weren’t, it was too late.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:03 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
I think it is because people have just completely soured on the constant white guilt narrative that they're incapable of acknowledging any past wrongs now. Before wokism cried wolf on everything being racist, it was pretty universally accepted that the Indians got fricked over.
By the end of it, Indian removal was more of a genocide than any semblance of conquest or battle. Thats not revisionist history with today's morals and values either.
And yet, Indians today are some of the most patriotic people you'll find and serve in the military at one of the highest rates per capita of any ethnic group in the US.
As others have mentioned, they certainly have their share of deadbeats playing the victim card and living off the tribal/fedgov teet, but by and large they're about as baw as you can be, especially in the southeast.
By the end of it, Indian removal was more of a genocide than any semblance of conquest or battle. Thats not revisionist history with today's morals and values either.
And yet, Indians today are some of the most patriotic people you'll find and serve in the military at one of the highest rates per capita of any ethnic group in the US.
As others have mentioned, they certainly have their share of deadbeats playing the victim card and living off the tribal/fedgov teet, but by and large they're about as baw as you can be, especially in the southeast.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:25 pm to BoudinChicot
We fought and pretty much had a standoff with the Mexicans. The only reason I can imagine for undermining the Cherokee was fear that an engagement would result in a loss. It took 50 years to steel the courage to take them on in this situation. Are there any lessons to be learned from not fighting honorably with the Cherokee?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:47 pm to WhereisAtlanta
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To be clear you are comparing wearing a paper mask to the systemic annihilations of an entire people and forced death march?
You're aware that the gas chambers did not start with gas chambers, yes? It's a progression. First demonization and segregation, then outright attacks. There's no way you don't know this.
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you are worse than the Covidians.
And you may be a bootlicker.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:46 pm to upgrade
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They’d still be riding horses,
quote:The Indians were Stone Agers. They didn't even have the wheel.
The Spanish brought the horses to the new world. So no they wouldn’t.
Reminds me of another "culture".
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:49 pm to BoudinChicot
quote:I never had any guilt. Never will. They didn't get fricked over. They lost.
I think it is because people have just completely soured on the constant white guilt narrative that they're incapable of acknowledging any past wrongs now. Before wokism cried wolf on everything being racist, it was pretty universally accepted that the Indians got fricked over.
quote:It was not a fricking "genocide".
By the end of it, Indian removal was more of a genocide than any semblance of conquest or battle. Thats not revisionist history with today's morals and values either.
quote:This is very true.
And yet, Indians today are some of the most patriotic people you'll find and serve in the military at one of the highest rates per capita of any ethnic group in the US.
quote:Unfortunately in this forum you have the former. Average White trash passing off "17%" as being Indian. Simply so they can suck the government tit.
As others have mentioned, they certainly have their share of deadbeats playing the victim card and living off the tribal/fedgov teet, but by and large they're about as baw as you can be, especially in the southeast.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:47 pm to Falcon 8X
What’s really crazy if it wasn’t for smallpox they would have driven us into the sea. about 100 years before we arrived the Mississippi Confederation had millions of warriors, cities of 200k and were incredibly well organized. A lot of the bad blood between creeks and cherokee’s etc was left over from who was in the Mississippi Confederation and was out. We tend to think of indian empires like aztec etc. They were originally from plains of america and after the big north american confederations.
Hell we had damn near 25% casualties rate in King phillips war.
Hell we had damn near 25% casualties rate in King phillips war.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:59 pm to TutHillTiger
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Hell we had damn near 25% casualties rate in King phillips war.
And they had a nearly 90% casualty rate.
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