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re: 80 IQ vs 100 IQ vs 120 IQ
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:19 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:19 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I suppose that I don't have enough experience in Africa (read:none) to actually have a good grasp. It just baffles me that an entire country of people could actually be that stupid. Less intelligent? Sure, I will buy that all day.
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Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:20 am to Jim Rockford
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There is actually a theory that there are different kinds of intelligence. Academic, emotional, interpersonal, artistic, and a couple more.
i think that's pretty much accepted at this point, but we kind of get lost in the weeds with what "intelligence" is defined as, which is the problem. a lot of those examples of "intelligence" aren't really in the same arena of the thing that is measured by IQ, but they use the term "intelligence" as sort of an emotional support
a better way to describe those are within personality traits and not "intelligence". if you're really good with engaging with people it doesn't mean you have "high interpersonal intelligence", it means you're an extrovert.
summary: "emotional intelligence" is an oxymoron
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Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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if you're really good with engaging with people it doesn't mean you have "high interpersonal intelligence", it means you're an extrovert.
I get what you're saying, but that isn't entirely correct.
There are really outgoing, extroverted folks who are absolutely annoying as shite and can't read a room worth a frick. There is a certain level of skill that cannot be accurately described on a trait spectrum.
ETA: Just because you like to do something doesn't mean you're good at it
This post was edited on 12/18/19 at 7:24 am
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:24 am to HempHead
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I suppose that I don't have enough experience in Africa (read:none) to actually have a good grasp. It just baffles me that an entire country of people could actually be that stupid. Less intelligent? Sure, I will buy that all day.
well intelligence can be developed within populations over time, so it's not a pure biological endeavor. the best theory i've seen about the issues in Africa are the large populations with cultural rejection/ignorance of abstract reasoning. if you can't fathom abstract reasoning, then your IQ measurement will be terrible
now, one could argue "well that just shows there are different types of intelligence" but, ultimately, that argument would only really apply in antiquity. for the past 500+ years, the reason the West has developed so much faster is harnessing the value of the intelligence type that IQ measures, and our modern world has a base level of requirement of this. so you can have all the superior "alternate intelligence" you can dream of, but they become, effectively, irrelevant in the modern world
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:25 am to HempHead
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ETA: Just because you like to do something doesn't mean you're good at it
that's where IQ intelligence comes in. there are dumb extroverts
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:25 am to HempHead
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I suppose that I don't have enough experience in Africa (read:none) to actually have a good grasp. It just baffles me that an entire country of people could actually be that stupid. Less intelligent? Sure, I will buy that all day.
One word: Rhodesia.
This nation once fed the African continent. Then it was handed over and became Zimbabwe. All the White farmers were murdered or exiled.
Now it is riddled with famine and they are literally begging the White farmers to return.
Why?
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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so it's not a pure biological endeavor. the best theory i've seen about the issues in Africa are the large populations with cultural rejection/ignorance of abstract reasoning. if you can't fathom abstract reasoning, then your IQ measurement will be terrible
Where does the ability to foster abstract reasoning come from?
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:28 am to HempHead
quote:Oh I’m not saying they’re all retards. I haven’t been to Equatorial Guinea but I have been to most of West Africa. I wouldn’t say their average IQ is anywhere near what the western world is but it’s certainly not in 60’s.
I suppose that I don't have enough experience in Africa (read:none) to actually have a good grasp. It just baffles me that an entire country of people could actually be that stupid. Less intelligent? Sure, I will buy that all day.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:28 am to Crazy Diamond
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Why?
You're preaching to the choir here, man. I've read hundreds of articles about HBD and all that jazz. I just simply can't believe that an entire population that stupid could continue to perpetuate itself. I could believe an average IQ of 75.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:33 am to HempHead
I think SFP has a good point. The western world values intelligence IQ more than the rest of the world does and have used that to become more developed in nearly every aspect of life and culture. Look at Asia, they have higher average IQ than whites do but their collectivist culture has left them less developed than the western world.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:34 am to HempHead
Tested 145 in 4th grade. Was moved to 7th grade a few weeks later. 2 years younger than my peers sucked. Made average grades in high school. Dropped out of college. Worked for a fortune top 10 for years with no degree based on my performance in the interview.
I can separate people below me pretty effectively, not being able to tolerate the lower of the bunch for very long. I've also been in a couple rooms where I was the least intelligent there. All I could tell you was I didn't hold a candle to those guys. Kept my mouth shut and absorbed. Most impressive guy I've ever met was a NSA white hat after a massive breach at Home Depot a few years back. That guy scared me.
I can separate people below me pretty effectively, not being able to tolerate the lower of the bunch for very long. I've also been in a couple rooms where I was the least intelligent there. All I could tell you was I didn't hold a candle to those guys. Kept my mouth shut and absorbed. Most impressive guy I've ever met was a NSA white hat after a massive breach at Home Depot a few years back. That guy scared me.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:38 am to HempHead
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Whys everyone skipping 130? What do those retards do?
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Post on the OT.
Correct.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:39 am to HempHead
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There is absolutely no way the average IQ in Equatorial Guinea is 59. A country of retards of that level would be humping doorknobs and eating shite. That tells me some of the metrics really are biased towards certain cultures, even if some cultures/peoples are objectively smarter than others. Just not to that degree.
The past 100 years there was a measurable increase in IQs in the developing world across many populations. EconTalk had an episode on this. It was something about as our society shifted from more agrarian to industrial, people became better at their ability to make mental models and comparisons. That is a significant part of IQ. IQ measures a specific type of intelligence, and someone in an agriarian society is not going to typically exercise the use of those types of mental models.
So I think the reality is if you plopped young children from rural Africa or Equatorial Guinea in the US and taught them English, many would show IQ scores on par with the US vs their home country.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:39 am to LSUStjames
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That guy scared me.
It's sort of like height, too.
I'm 6'5". I tower over almost everyone I meet, every day of the year. Occasionally, though, I encounter people of equal height or an inch or two taller. A bit odd, but nothing jarring. A handful of times, though, I have met people who tower over me. It is intimidating, and it reminds me that that is what I do almost every day. I cannot fathom being a giant in either sense.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:40 am to HempHead
I did
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:40 am to HempHead
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Where does the ability to foster abstract reasoning come from?
you have to be taught and, i imagine, taught relatively young. i mean it's not like Africa has sub-80 IQ EVERYWHERE. they have engineers and scientists and send a lot of super smart kids to be educated in the US. but in the rural areas? nothing
you see the same thing pretty much everywhere, it's just that in SSA those "rural, low IQ areas" are MUCH more numerous
the biggest problems with Africa, historically, are that it's incredibly large and no true empire of any note existed over large portions of that area since the bronze age (and those may even be myths). empire advances ancient populations and Africa just didn't have them.
you compare this to Asia, which also faced cruel colonialism but has adapted to modern values. why? much more organized populations that came that way via empires. sprinkle in some cultural-religious beliefs (that developed to further empire) and those areas can get very authoritarian, very quickly, and force change.
Sub-Saharan Africa? you have 10,000 (hyperbole but may not even be that far off) tribes across an incredibly large continent. different languages, cultures, religions, styles of living, etc. how is that ever going to develop en masse? even brutal colonialism by Europe failed, largely.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:45 am to CivilTiger83
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The past 100 years there was a measurable increase in IQs in the developing world across many populations. EconTalk had an episode on this. It was something about as our society shifted from more agrarian to industrial, people became better at their ability to make mental models and comparisons. That is a significant part of IQ. IQ measures a specific type of intelligence, and someone in an agriarian society is not going to typically exercise the use of those types of mental models.
this is why i said that whatever "intelligence" we want to say these undeveloped areas have, it becomes largely insignificant in the modern world
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:48 am to Kujo
IQ is a Bell curve relationship explaining your intelligence compared to normal distribution. with 100 being an average (or close to average as possible)
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This post was edited on 12/18/19 at 7:51 am
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:54 am to HempHead
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I'm 6'5". I tower over almost everyone I meet, every day of the year. Occasionally, though, I encounter people of equal height or an inch or two taller. A bit odd, but nothing jarring. A handful of times, though, I have met people who tower over me. It is intimidating, and it reminds me that that is what I do almost every day. I cannot fathom being a giant in either sense.
yeah that explanation on page 1 or 2 is really great
i was lucky to go to school in a system that had a strong gifted program with a ton of smart kids who were also diversified in terms of socialization and personalities. so we had cheerleaders, jocks, complete nerds, potheads, etc. so you got a bit of all slices of life within a population of 120+ IQs
so yeah you know who has (or doesn't have) it pretty quickly, and also learn those distinctions within the population. so like in our class, there was a group who were seeing who could get the first 36 in math on the ACT. it was like 5 (out of probably 40) kids. some kids didn't take gifted english to take the more rigorous AP english. some were out of gifted classes entirely due to various reasons. it's weird looking back with this context b/c at the time it was just natural
*ETA: a few years ago we had this same sort of thread and the (alleged) mother of a gifted kid was on here. she kept trying to lecture people that gifted kids didn't distinguish various levels of intelligence and i was just like, "uh, wut?"
This post was edited on 12/18/19 at 7:56 am
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Didn't read the whole thread but as someone with a measured IQ of 158, actual psych administered test not online crap, it's really not as telltale as people think. Education came easy for me my entire life, unfortunately this led to my increasing level of laziness. So here I sit, intelligent and woefully short of my projected lot in life (aka doing the same shite that people who barely graduated high school can do)
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