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re: 737max crashes in Ethiopia. Killing 157

Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:34 pm to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:34 pm to
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Wonder which lawyer recommended the "out of abundance of caution" phrase when they were drafting that



Same ones at LSU's AD
Posted by hottub
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:34 pm to
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So if pilots have been reporting issues with a downward pitch when engaging autopilot, why have they not taken action?


Dollar, dollar bills yo....... and we don’t have a “special interest” problem in our country! Sarcasm [on] off
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:36 pm to
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Dollar, dollar bills yo....... and we don’t have a “special interest” problem in our country! Sarcasm [on] off

I find it hard to believe that pilots wouldn't flat out refuse to fly these things if they thought it was a major concern
Posted by hottub
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:38 pm to
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I find it hard to believe that pilots wouldn't flat out refuse to fly these things if they thought it was a major concern


RLA prohibits airline pilots from “refusing to work”. They could have called in sick or found other reasons not to fly a MAX, but they can’t just not fly it since it was a FAA approved aircraft.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:39 pm to
Pilots got moufs to feed too.
Posted by TxWadingFool
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:43 pm to
Plenty could have been calling in sick to avoid flying them and the public hasn't heard about it, pilots aren't going to admit to it for obvious reasons.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:45 pm to
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RLA prohibits airline pilots from “refusing to work”. They could have called in sick or found other reasons not to fly a MAX, but they can’t just not fly it since it was a FAA approved aircraft.


I thought they were unionized
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:53 pm to
So once these planes are on the ground, what next? I'm guessing some of these airports don't have much in the way of overnight support. They just going to hang out on the tarmac?
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:05 pm to
Here is the FAA statement:

Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:06 pm to
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 3:11 pm
Posted by RedFoxx
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:07 pm to
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So once these planes are on the ground, what next? I'm guessing some of these airports don't have much in the way of overnight support. They just going to hang out on the tarmac?


Typically, in these situations, the aircraft are allowed to be ferried without passengers to a maintenance destination.

Canada has already said that's what they're doing.
Posted by LSUJuice
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:07 pm to
So I guess they're not even allowed to reposition?
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:08 pm to
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Airborne Aircraft are allowed to continue to destination airport.


Whew!
Posted by hottub
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:08 pm to
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I thought they were unionized


Most major carriers are, I think JetBlue was the last nonunion. Union doesn’t override RLA. There is a grievance process for violation of CBA but a union pilot can’t refuse to work or even strike UNLESS the mediator releases the group during a contract negotiation.
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:10 pm to
How kind of them. I feel badly for the people who were in the air when some of the other countries shut down their airspaces to the 737 MAX--they had to divert. I guess in this case, since there's nowhere else to go, US had no choice but to give them permission to land at their final destinations
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:11 pm to
Kind of a toothless union if they can't refuse to fly planes with major issues
Posted by hottub
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:15 pm to
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Kind of a toothless union if they can't refuse to fly planes with major issues


In a lot ways yes, but I am sure that the unions representing pilots of 737 MAX airlines have been putting pressure on the FAA to take action. Airline unions are probably the #1 reason the US has the safest and most reputable aviation record in the world.
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:19 pm to
So wait, is the 737-800 grounded too? Or am I misinterpreting tht message?
Posted by RedFoxx
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:22 pm to
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So wait, is the 737-800 grounded too? Or am I misinterpreting tht message?


Just the 737 Max8 and 737 Max9.

The 737-800 and other non Max 737 variants aren't affected.

Edit: there are 73 total MAX variants currently in US fleets.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 3:32 pm
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:27 pm to
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RedFoxx
I never got an email brother.
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