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re: 50 years ago tonight...the plane crash into the NOLA Airport Hilton

Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
73821 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:06 pm to
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Just 6 people. All FAA officials. No civies or anything.
It was middle of the night.



gotcha.. i was like WTF?
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:07 pm to
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they did this with passengers on board?


There were 6 people on plane. At least 3 were Delta pilots.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
73821 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:08 pm to
that woulda been some "hold my beer" shite
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27590 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:14 pm to
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February 1964 when 58 persons died in the crash of an Eastern Air Lines jet into Lake Pontchartrain.



Was this the crash from Mad Men? I assume it was a real event the show referenced? Pete's father dies in the crash.

Air travel in the 60's must have been scary. Was it poor regulation older equipment or just inferior equipment and technology? Radar? Detection of downdrafts?
Posted by cdaniel76
Ponchatoula
Member since Feb 2008
19773 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:20 pm to
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Where the cell phone lot is now.


Not the cell phone lot, but the park'n'fly lot between the cellphone lot and where the Hilton is now. Worth St. dead ends at the south end of the park'n'fly lot, which is also where the railroad(embankment) is.

Posted by tipup
Member since Sep 2005
1649 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:21 pm to
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Several of my FIL's family were on that plane. He was supposed to be on it.


No they weren't. You are thinking of another crash.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
73821 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:24 pm to
i remember one of the higher up bosses where i worked was on the 82 flight on his way to meet his mistress.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
22796 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:25 pm to
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A Civil Aeronautics Board team arrived from Washington to investigate the crash, the first air tragedy here since February 1964 when 58 persons died in the crash of an Eastern Air Lines jet into Lake Pontchartrain


I've heard my father talk about this crash; he was 15 at the time. I remember him talking about how a lot of the wreckage was "sucked up" into the mud.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
33193 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:28 pm to
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they did this with passengers on board? There were 6 people on plane. At least 3 were Delta pilots.


It was a checkride for a new captain and flight engineer
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:28 pm to
Right. It was basically behind the Shell station around where Park n' Save and Park n Fly are now. I don't think the Hilton moved after the crash. They just rebuilt the damage wing.
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:31 pm to
I've heard my father talk about this crash; he was 15 at the time. I remember him talking about how a lot of the wreckage was "sucked up" into the mud.
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Yeah, the story growing up was that the entire plane disappeared and nobody was ever found. That persisted for years and years, but wasn't accurate. But in reality they only recovered about half of the plane and less than half of the bodies.
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6619 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:41 pm to
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Was this the crash from Mad Men? I assume it was a real event the show referenced? Pete's father dies in the crash.

Air travel in the 60's must have been scary. Was it poor regulation older equipment or just inferior equipment and technology? Radar? Detection of downdrafts?


Mad Men used an actual crash, American Airlines flight 1. Crashed into Jamaica Bay right after departing Idlewild (now JFK).
Posted by MetTiger
Member since Oct 2007
1213 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:44 pm to
Very sad thing. The 4 engined DC-8 was having a pilot attempt a 2 engine out situation on close final approach. The left wing started to dip and the pilot failed to put on full go round power until it was too late.

The plane (coming from the south) lost too much lift and hit in the area between Park n Fly and the current RR tracks. It's a field now but then was houses.

There was a another elevated railroad berm there and upon hitting that, the DC-8 broke apart, spreading an inferno through that wing of the hotel.

These maneuvers are now all done in multimillion simulators, where you get do-overs. Back then the costs of error were tragic. No one meant to do this and the whole idea was safer flying.
Posted by EastBankTiger
A little west of Hoover Dam
Member since Dec 2003
21616 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:47 pm to
My late father was with the NOFD. He was part of the crash team at the Airport and was on duty that night. Until the day he died, he never could bring himself to talk to me about what he saw that night. I was very young when it happened but even then, it was obvious to me how badly it affected him.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88810 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:49 pm to
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Pan Am Flight 759



was #2 in line to go that day, there was a company plane in position on RWY10 next to go when it happened, saw the whole thing go down, obviously our flight was canceled, I went to the crash scene with a friend that was a State Trooper at the time, pretty gruesome

been a long time but I think there were a couple of planes in front of PA that said they'd wait it out after being cleared for takeoff, that spawned a whole new era of training/awareness in TS/microbursts/windshear, etc.

will never forget the transmission from our company air craft that day "Tower (company call sign281" "(company call sign)281 Moisant tower, go ahead," "You're aware he's down aren't you?" "Affirmative, we'll roll the equipment" all completely monotone
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49000 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:55 pm to
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will never forget the transmission from our company air craft that day "Tower (company call sign281" "(company call sign)281 Moisant tower, go ahead," "You're aware he's down aren't you?" "Affirmative, we'll roll the equipment" all completely monotone


Jeezus frickin Christ, man. That's awful but appreciate the share.

And I didn't realize how much older than me you were.

Sidenote: I still remember being in 4th grade in 84 and learning about Microbursts as part of a science lesson. We learned about how deadly they could be and this disaster was the main example b/c it was fresh on EVERYONE'S mind in Louisiana. I can still remember that lesson like yesterday. 10 yrs old.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 3:56 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88810 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:59 pm to
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And I didn't realize how much older than me you were.


I was a pretty young whippersnapper that day, I'm an old fart now...but at least I'm not a weirdo




jk, you're a good dude
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:07 pm to
The Delta crash in 1967 was bad, but Pan Am 759 was the real horror show. I heard some terrible stories about wreckage, luggage and human remains being hung up in the trees and, of course, all the carnage on the ground.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88810 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:10 pm to
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I heard some terrible stories about wreckage, luggage and human remains being hung up in the trees and, of course, all the carnage on the gro

gruesome is an understatement, things seen that can't be unseen, sticks with you
Posted by EastBankTiger
A little west of Hoover Dam
Member since Dec 2003
21616 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

The Delta crash in 1967 was bad, but Pan Am 759 was the real horror show. I heard some terrible stories about wreckage, luggage and human remains being hung up in the trees and, of course, all the carnage on the ground.



I'm still amazed that a young baby was pulled alive from that hellish scene.
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