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re: 21,000 Drug convictions to be tossed after drug lab tech pleads guilty to tampering
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:44 pm to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:44 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Just because she falsified some tests, doesn't mean she falsified all 21k, or that all were wrongfully accused.
Generally speaking most judges don't like expert witnesses who have lied thousands of times in affadavits.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:45 pm to LucasP
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It doesn't matter how much, the war on drugs must be fought at any cost. Children, think of them!!
Exactly! If not they will buy the weed and smoke all the weed!!!
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:46 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Doesn't matter? Sure it does. How many of those drug convictions that are being tossed out now are for narcotics convictions? Good convictions that are now muddied because some lab tech was trying to make a name for herself.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:47 pm to LucasP
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One, your grammer is bad
Grammar
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:48 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Just because she falsified some tests, doesn't mean she falsified all 21k, or that all were wrongfully accused.
Irrelevant. We can't trust any case she touched.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:48 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Generally speaking most judges don't like expert witnesses who have lied thousands of times in affadavits.
Do you idiots even read the comment that a person is responding to?
The guy I was responding to said 21k people were wrongfully accused/imprisoned/whatever you want to call it. I doubt all 21k were innocent, but the convictions will be thrown out all the same.
ETA: This goes for you to BestBank. Learn to read you idiots.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:48 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Good convictions that are now muddied because some lab tech was trying to make a name for herself.
I have actually often wondered why this doesn't happen more often. It's in the state's interest to convict more often, so it would make sense that they would put pressure on lower level employees to make sure it happens.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:48 pm to phutureisyic
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Grammar
This isn't Europe, spell it write.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:53 pm to Cowboyfan89
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The guy I was responding to said 21k people were wrongfully accused/imprisoned/whatever you want to call it. I doubt all 21k were innocent, but the convictions will be thrown out all the same.
The burden of proof is on the state to prove someone was guilty. They can't legally do that with tainted evidence from a crooked drug lab. They may have been guilty otherwise had an honest person been running it, but that's not the case(s) here.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:55 pm to NYNolaguy1
3 freaking years only? She ruined tons of lives. Put her arse under the jail.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:55 pm to LucasP
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This isn't Europe, spell it write.
Grammour
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
You're missing the point, jackass.
Are you suggesting that NONE of those 21k had illegal drugs? Forget whether the evidence was good or not. Just answer the question: do you HONESTLY BELIEVR that 21k people were all the victim of falsified evidence?
Quick hint: if you answer yes, you are a moron. No fricking way all of them were innocent. At least some of them are going to hsve their records wiped clean of what was a good conviction, because a lab tech went rogue.
ETA: And anyone that actually believes all 21k were innocent is probably a drug peddling piece of shite as well. I don't disagree with judges not trusting expert witnesses that lie, or that the convictions have to be thrown out because the evidence is tainted. What I disagree with is any moron that believes all 21k were innocent.
Are you suggesting that NONE of those 21k had illegal drugs? Forget whether the evidence was good or not. Just answer the question: do you HONESTLY BELIEVR that 21k people were all the victim of falsified evidence?
Quick hint: if you answer yes, you are a moron. No fricking way all of them were innocent. At least some of them are going to hsve their records wiped clean of what was a good conviction, because a lab tech went rogue.
ETA: And anyone that actually believes all 21k were innocent is probably a drug peddling piece of shite as well. I don't disagree with judges not trusting expert witnesses that lie, or that the convictions have to be thrown out because the evidence is tainted. What I disagree with is any moron that believes all 21k were innocent.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:02 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Forget whether the evidence was good or not. Just answer the question: do you HONESTLY BELIEVR that 21k people were all the victim of falsified evidence?
Here's a better question. Which of the 21,000 do you think are guilty? I don't know because I didn't read through 21,000 case files. I suspect you didn't either, but maybe you did I don't know.
If you are so adamant that some are guilty you should be able to point to just one you think is guilty.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:05 pm to Cowboyfan89
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What I disagree with is any moron that believes all 21k were innocent.
Innocent until proven guilty. If there isn't enough evidence without the dirty lab results to convict, guess what, Skippy: Innocent. If there is enough evidence to convict without the dirty lab results, they'll retry them.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:30 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Irrelevant. We can't trust any case she touched.
This! Which cases did she test and which cases did she falsify?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:31 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:It doesn't matter. It calls all of her cases in to question and nullifies all of her results.
Just because she falsified some tests, doesn't mean she falsified all 21k, or that all were wrongfully accused.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:33 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:And you are missing the point.
You're missing the point, jackass.
Are you suggesting that NONE of those 21k had illegal drugs? Forget whether the evidence was good or not. Just answer the question: do you HONESTLY BELIEVR that 21k people were all the victim of falsified evidence?
Quick hint: if you answer yes, you are a moron. No fricking way all of them were innocent. At least some of them are going to hsve their records wiped clean of what was a good conviction, because a lab tech went rogue.
ETA: And anyone that actually believes all 21k were innocent is probably a drug peddling piece of shite as well. I don't disagree with judges not trusting expert witnesses that lie, or that the convictions have to be thrown out because the evidence is tainted. What I disagree with is any moron that believes all 21k were innocent.
It doesn't matter. All of her results are tainted. ALL OF THEM.
Hell, she could have faked one and all would be tainted.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:33 pm to NYNolaguy1
I don't know anything about the cases. But I don't believe 21k people got scooped on bad charges either. If so, then multiple police departments have some corruption issues.
Did some? Yeah, that's obviously a possibility. Wrong place, wrong time type deal. But 21k? Hell no.
Did some? Yeah, that's obviously a possibility. Wrong place, wrong time type deal. But 21k? Hell no.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:35 pm to NYNolaguy1
God damn, that's disgusting really. I can't imagine she was the only one involved in the tampering/prosecution process.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:37 pm to Scruffy
Mick agrees with Scruffy's assessment.
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