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re: 2 Officers shot in Ferguson...Video in OP
Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:55 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:55 pm to Topwater Trout
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Why was the FPD racist? I hope it's not because an officer shot a guy attacking him.
No, the evidence clearly vindicated the shooting. But maybe you should read the justice department report on the department.
quote:
"Ferguson's police and municipal court practices both reflect and exacerbate existing racial bias, including racial stereotypes. Ferguson's own data establish clear racial disparities that adversely impact African Americans. The evidence shows that discriminatory intent is part of the reason for these disparities."
The quote is supported with a number of statistics and inter-department emails. Some even from the police chief himself.
As far as "picking the wrong case" -- I'm not so sure they "picked" anything. I think some of the typical bullshite that happens after every white-on-black violence (whether police or otherwise) caused this to blow up. Keep pumping up a tire with forced air, eventually it will blow.
I agree, the shooting does not alone merit the response. But I think the justice findings point to a much larger issue with FPD which do merit some type of correction.
I'm tired. I'm going to have a few Victoria beers and relax.
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:03 pm to Floating Change Up
I am WAAYY late to this thread but do not want to start another one.
Read a report that investigators believe it was a 120 yard pistol shot? The frick!!??
Has to be just an accident? Not the intent to harm. That was there. But the accuracy?
Anyone.
Read a report that investigators believe it was a 120 yard pistol shot? The frick!!??
Has to be just an accident? Not the intent to harm. That was there. But the accuracy?
Anyone.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:07 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Yeah.
Either two extremely lucky shots or two extremely unlucky cops if with a pistol.
Either two extremely lucky shots or two extremely unlucky cops if with a pistol.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:12 pm to Floating Change Up
I tend to be skeptical. For one thing, I would imagine that black employees of the City of Ferguson had a less-than-stellar opinion of their fellow blacks who were in trouble with the justice system.
Secondly, I highly doubt any emails of those black Ferguson employees were read by the Justice Dept., and if they were, they'd certainly never see the light of day. Wouldn't serve Obama/Holder's agenda.
Secondly, I highly doubt any emails of those black Ferguson employees were read by the Justice Dept., and if they were, they'd certainly never see the light of day. Wouldn't serve Obama/Holder's agenda.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:21 pm to Floating Change Up
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Floating Change Up
You don't read too good do you? I said opportunity. That has no direct relation to poverty rates. Blacks have more handed to them that they can use to help themselves to get out of poverty than any white person.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:25 pm to texashorn
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I tend to be skeptical. For one thing, I would imagine that black employees of the City of Ferguson had a less-than-stellar opinion of their fellow blacks who were in trouble with the justice system.
Secondly, I highly doubt any emails of those black Ferguson employees were read by the Justice Dept., and if they were, they'd certainly never see the light of day. Wouldn't serve Obama/Holder's agenda.
I'm not saying you are wrong. There are always 3 sides to every story...
But, basically, what you are doing is choosing to believe what you want to believe and justifying it anyway you want to support your beliefs -- evidence be damned.
That is the SAME fricking thing "the other side" is doing.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:33 pm to Floating Change Up
Yeah minus the destroying property, blocking streets, and setting shite on fire.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:36 pm to shawnlsu
Actually Ferguson, has very little to do with race.
It's about Cities who lose tax income and their property values diminish and they have to find new means of income.(out of control cities and courts)
So they target the poor/lower middle to make up their coffers. The high number of blacks being pulled over is because of the area. They make up a majority in many of the passing cities around there.
They know giving code violations, citations, tickets can be a windfall. Thus it gets abused.
Many cities around the area do it. I know a guy who didnt cut his grass, which turned into a code violation, but they didn't give him a summons, even though they issued one, and he has a warrant, was arrested and paid $600 to bail himself out of jail. All for not cutting his grass.
The city that guy lives in, rakes in a ton of cash from shite like this. They lost a huge tax windfall from a mall and a big box store, and to try and keep the riff raff from killing their city, they chose to target drivers and the poor in their city.
he lives in St.Ann, #1 court fees/courts costs maker in the whole state. They bring in more than then all of the other cities in STLNoCo, combined.
That's what this is about.
It's about Cities who lose tax income and their property values diminish and they have to find new means of income.(out of control cities and courts)
So they target the poor/lower middle to make up their coffers. The high number of blacks being pulled over is because of the area. They make up a majority in many of the passing cities around there.
They know giving code violations, citations, tickets can be a windfall. Thus it gets abused.
Many cities around the area do it. I know a guy who didnt cut his grass, which turned into a code violation, but they didn't give him a summons, even though they issued one, and he has a warrant, was arrested and paid $600 to bail himself out of jail. All for not cutting his grass.
The city that guy lives in, rakes in a ton of cash from shite like this. They lost a huge tax windfall from a mall and a big box store, and to try and keep the riff raff from killing their city, they chose to target drivers and the poor in their city.
he lives in St.Ann, #1 court fees/courts costs maker in the whole state. They bring in more than then all of the other cities in STLNoCo, combined.
That's what this is about.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:41 pm to Floating Change Up
Then let's see the employee emails of all Ferguson employees of all races. Let them all out. I don't believe that was done. Do you have proof otherwise?
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:46 pm to stlslick
If anything good comes from this, it's that the kangaroo courts, asinine fines, and the need to target your community to pay the bills is slowly stopped.
State law says Cities can only get 30% of their income from tickets. But the way around it, is low fines and huge court costs, which aren't part of the %.
So they give you a $30 fine and $200 in court costs.
State law says Cities can only get 30% of their income from tickets. But the way around it, is low fines and huge court costs, which aren't part of the %.
So they give you a $30 fine and $200 in court costs.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:51 pm to stlslick
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Actually Ferguson, has very little to do with race.
C'mon man. It is about all of those other things as well, but to suggest that race isn't an issue on the north side is crazy. I'd agree that there is a problem that is much bigger than race going on though.
quote:
So they target the poor/lower middle to make up their coffers. The high number of blacks being pulled over is because of the area. They make up a majority in many of the passing cities around there.
They don't make up 90+%.
quote:
They know giving code violations, citations, tickets can be a windfall. Thus it gets abused.
If defense attorneys weren't making a windfall with it as well, an abrupt end could be brought to this practice. Set everything for trial. Cities like Ferguson and Jennings would never be able to pay the OT for the cops having to testify not once, but twice when a trial de novo is requested after losing in municipal court. You're right though. As my dad said some 20 years ago...it's all just a big scam that everyone makes money off of except the average citizen, so it will never change.
quote:
Many cities around the area do it. I know a guy who didnt cut his grass, wwhich turned into a code vilation, but no summons was given, and he has a warrant, was arrested and paid $600 to bail himself out of jail. All for not cutting his grass.
That's why they all need to be shut down. Let the County handle them all. Let County PD do the policing. That's the only way to fix it but it won't happen. You're talking multiples of tens of millions if you add up all the municipalities.
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he lives in St.Ann, #1 court fees/courts costs maker in the whole state. They bring in more than then all of the other cities in STLNoCo, combined.
They are horrible. Word of advice to anyone traveling to St. Louis. St. Ann includes the highway at the airport. DO NOT SPEED. They will literally have 12-15 cops lined up taking you down. Oh, and it's a double fine zone (WTF is that? It's not a construction zone or school zone. If you want to make a speeding ticket cost $500 instead of $70, just do it. Don't give it some BS name.)
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:52 pm to texashorn
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Then let's see the employee emails of all Ferguson employees of all races. Let them all out. I don't believe that was done. Do you have proof otherwise?
I haven't read this whole thread, but what's that got to do with anything? If a black employee used the "N" word, does that all of a sudden make the other not racist?
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:54 pm to reedus23
I said when this first started, St.Louis County Govt and PD should be running every muni and court.
But everyone wants a title and to feel special.
But everyone wants a title and to feel special.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:57 pm to reedus23
If employees of all races were dismissive, gave wrong court dates, told racist jokes, were rude on the phone, then wouldn't you think that would blow a hole in the theory that this whole thing is whitey trying to punish blacks?
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:01 pm to stlslick
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I said when this first started, St.Louis County Govt and PD should be running every muni and court.
But everyone wants a title and to feel special.
Couldn't agree with you more about that. It's like they're own little playgrounds. What they forget is that real people (white or black) live in those playgrounds and their lives are affected in a real way when you have to pay $600 for your grass.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:06 pm to texashorn
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If employees of all races were dismissive, gave wrong court dates, told racist jokes, were rude on the phone, then wouldn't you think that would blow a hole in the theory that this whole thing is whitey trying to punish blacks?
I think you're mixing some of the issues in the DOJ report. There was a good chunk of that report that addresses problems that affect EVERYONE, white, black or green. Those things include being dismissive, giving wrong court dates, being rude and whatever. So no, it wouldn't blow a hole in that theory.
There is a whole different portion of the report that talks about how some of their conduct disproportionately impacts blacks in a negative way. And no, any emails from black employees doesn't make the others any less racist. It makes them both wrong.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:12 pm to reedus23
If government workers being rude is a racist indicator I have to say that most black government workers I've dealt with are some racist assholes
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:16 pm to reedus23
Whose conduct? Are you telling me that black Ferguson police officers never arrested another black?
Tell me, too, where's the disparate impact rabble-rousing from the Justice Department about the majority-black Washington, D.C., police arrests disparately affecting blacks?
Where's the pissing and moaning by the federal government about "disparate impact" in their own back yards?
LINK
When is this person (the mayor of DC) going to resign?
Tell me, too, where's the disparate impact rabble-rousing from the Justice Department about the majority-black Washington, D.C., police arrests disparately affecting blacks?
Where's the pissing and moaning by the federal government about "disparate impact" in their own back yards?
quote:
More than eight out of 10 arrests in
our city were of African Americans.
MPD reported a
total of 142,191 adult arrests from 2009 thr
ough 2011. While there are about as many
African Americans aged
18 or older (47.6%) as there are a
dult whites (42%) living in this
city, eight out of 10 adults a
rrested for a crime in Washingt
on are African American.
LINK
When is this person (the mayor of DC) going to resign?
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:17 pm to Topwater Trout
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If government workers being rude is a racist indicator I have to say that most black government workers I've dealt with are some racist assholes
I suppose it all depends on what they're doing/saying that you define as rude.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:18 pm to Topwater Trout
If the idiots being interviewed right now on TV are the driving force behind all of this, WOW. total fricking morons, not a single one has read the Justice Dept report. Hang Darren Wilson, Hands Up Don't Shoot.
Please interview some intelligent black people and not these hood rats.
Please interview some intelligent black people and not these hood rats.
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