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re: 2/3 of teachers surveyed in Texas considering going peace out

Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:14 pm to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:14 pm to
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The safety and discipline issues they deal with are a direct result of the liberal policies teachers overwhelmingly support. I feel zero sympathy for them.


Then why are teachers talking about leaving in a state that has been Republican controlled for some time and doesn’t have large, liberal teacher’s unions in their state?

Why are overwhelmingly conservative state legislators not targeting things like lack of discipline in schools which is typically the #1 complaint by teacher and parents alike? I’ve yet to see one piece of legislation here in Kentucky addressing that issue with a super majority in our state congress. None.

Pretending this hasn’t been a failure by both parties involved is naive at best.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 6:15 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:14 pm to
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Is that a yes?


Some students in NYS are wearing masks. Not all, however.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:15 pm to
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Yes, but on a board centered around Louisiana, dumping on your own teachers because of what happens in liberal California seems odd.


The dumb shite that the morons want in Cali and Chicagostan are blamed on local teachers. In the case of NOLA, BR, and Shreveport, that view may be applicable. The rest of the state...not so much. Ditto Texas, minus the Dem shitholes.
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:16 pm to
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Some students in NYS are wearing masks.


Was that so difficult? Why didn’t you answer that in the other thread about your shot Governor and her moronic mandates?
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:17 pm to
That sounds like a problem in your area. And yes, libs tend to turn the other way when they see the negative results of the things they fought for.

As pertains to the OP, and in Texas, I don’t think this is the case. The union does push for some progressive ideas, but locally, it’s big push is for teacher (not admin) raises, working conditions, etc.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:22 pm to
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In today’s world, I tend to think most people suck.

Very true - I was just trying to stay neutral

Texas public schools are the best you are going to get, if they have problems, Lord help the rest of the country.
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:26 pm to
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When does stipend usually kick in for teachers and/or for what especially if not a choice?

Not used to seeing salaried workers get stipend so not sure if it’s hourly based, extracurricular activity based (like coaching or band director or whatever) or something else.



For example, if you want to teach music, you know you are going to put in extra hours at competition and whatnot. The Texas governing body of athletics and extracurricular activities is UIL. You will have to go to mandated training for rules updates and whatnot. The stipend is for UIL obligations, which also extends to marching band. Essentially, the band puts in the same hours as a football team once you factor in the Saturday competitions. The stipend is pennies, but again, we know what we sign up for. It’s added into your paychecks each month.

The problem is when you have admin that suddenly wants the band to play at events that aren’t UIL sanctioned, or are not required of your UIL Region chair. I’m talking volleyball games, wrestling meets, even basketball games. Then a community member wants to have a pep band on site for an Alzheimer’s Walk or something.

These are the things that can add up for any extracurricular teacher. You can discuss this with your boss behind closed doors, but that will go the same way it does for any profession. Someone mentions your stipend, you tell them the stipend is for UIL events only. It’s a slippery slope type thing. People constantly want you to perform at their event, and you are pushed to do so, but there’s no money for your extra time.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:30 pm to
I sympathized with you bc both of my parents were teachers

Until:

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there’s no money for your extra time.


That’s just too fricking bad - your salary is paid for by tax payers and if a tax payer wants you to play at a non-UIL sanctioned event - you play

Give me a break
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:32 pm to
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This is in Texas... where the schools are allegedly good.



As reported by the boss of the teacher's union.

Do better, OP
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 6:33 pm
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:35 pm to
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That’s just too fricking bad - your salary is paid for by tax payers and if a tax payer wants you to play at a non-UIL sanctioned event - you play

Give me a break


That’s different than the premise on this board. At first, it was teachers don’t work hard, and now it’s “do what the taxpayers want”. I’m a teacher and a taxpayer, where does that fall?

And to further the issue…what happens when the taxpayer is a campaign manager? What happens when it’s an event with alcohol being served on the premises?

If I said “yes” to every event a taxpayer wanted me to do, I would see about 10-15 more Saturdays a year get filled with events. I may be a public employee, but my job isn’t to appease anyone who pays taxes. If you want a jazz band to play at your mixer, hire a professional group. Don’t exploit high school kids.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:50 pm to
All of the outdated institutions in this country are dissolving. We are rapidly transitioning into a totally different society.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:52 pm to
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Going to get worse; Hispanics kids are flooding the school system throughout the whole state. frick open borders


With open borders Louisiana may be majority Hispanic in a decade or so.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:52 pm to
This has been a very good thread that it would be nice to see more of on the OT. For the most part there have been serious observations and questions from all sides. Sure there have been a couple of people lobbing troll takes but few and far between.

Nice job, OT.
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:54 pm to
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With open borders Louisiana may be majority Hispanic in a decade or so.



Would probably be a huge improvement for Louisiana.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
28934 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:54 pm to
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This has been a very good thread that it would be nice to see more of on the OT. For the most part there have been serious observations and questions from all sides. Sure there have been a couple of people lobbing troll takes but few and far between.


Agreed. That’s a rarity for this topic on here.
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66508 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:56 pm to
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Teachers have in services, continuing education classes, conferences, lesson planning, 2nd jobs, and report back very beginning of August. Not sure why most people don’t know this.


They definitely get a good 3 months off for the year. I know exactly zero teachers that have second jobs.

In services and continuing education probably take up a day or two in the summer. They generally go back a week or two before the kids but they get at least two solid months off in the summer, two weeks for Christmas, a week for thanksgiving, a week for spring break.

Some of the stuff coming out of the states now is dumb as hell but this notion that they don’t get three months off is false. During the school year they often have to do stuff at home however many do very minimal. The good ones don’t but unfortunately they get paid based on years they’ve taught.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 7:12 pm
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:56 pm to
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I’m a teacher and a taxpayer, where does that fall?

How bad do you want to keep your job?

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what happens when the taxpayer is a campaign manager?
shouldn’t matter if it’s not a political event

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What happens when it’s an event with alcohol being served on the premises?
lol - I’m from NOLA so I can’t answer that in Texas terms

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If I said “yes” to every event a taxpayer wanted me to do,

You don’t have to, but sometimes there are things you just don’t get paid for - especially when it comes to teaching - it’s the teachers that go the extra mile that leave the biggest impact on kids - too few do that nowadays

I guess it’s because they don’t get paid for it
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
28934 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:58 pm to
I teach in Corpus Christi. I was at a middle school in the hood for 5 years and the demographic breakdown was approx 95% hispanic, and the other 5% split with white and AA. No Asians whatsoever.

These kids didn’t give a shite about homework, they were worried if their mom was using drugs that night, when dad was coming home from jail, whether they had food and electricity. It was eye-opening, and made me really see how big of a sham standardized testing is.

I’m proud to say that one of my students, who didn’t have a father figure, is currently working on her doctorate. That is a remarkable achievement for anyone who came through that school.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 7:01 pm to
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Corpus Christi.

Lol - I don’t mean to give you a rough time but I know CC well - my dad is from Alice

And I had the wonderful opportunity to live in Brownsville/Los Fresnos for a little while as a kid

It’s rough but kids can come from those areas and make something of themselves - unlike the shitshow that is Louisiana public schools
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
28934 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 7:04 pm to
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How bad do you want to keep your job?


And this is why there’s give and take. Of course I suck it up at times.

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You don’t have to, but sometimes there are things you just don’t get paid for - especially when it comes to teaching - it’s the teachers that go the extra mile that leave the biggest impact on kids - too few do that nowadays


I agree. You’ll find that a typical band director is probably putting in among the most hours on his or her campus. Season starts before football, and ends when that last note from the band cuts off at graduation. In my area, head band directors are put on an administrative pay scale because of the hours issue.

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guess it’s because they don’t get paid for it


Look, I get your angle. But me taking a drumline to play for someone’s private party in disguise is not going the extra mile for my kids. Me taking a jazz band to an event because someone wants cheap entertainment is not going the extra mile from my kids.

The kids tend to let you know that, too, when you see the participation numbers at those events dwindle.

Do I want to ride a school bus for three hours to and from a playoff basketball game on a Tuesday? Then sit in the parking lot until 1AM while someone’s parents fell asleep and won’t wake up? Of course not…but that’s something that is “for the kids”.
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