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re: 16yo Son wants to be a medic in army or marines

Posted on 11/4/23 at 1:30 am to
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 11/4/23 at 1:30 am to
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Don't overlook Coast Guard Rescue Swimmer. They're EMT certified and get to do badass stuff and Ashton Kutcher made a movie about them
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38993 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 2:02 am to
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US Air Force Combat Control Team


He wants medical so PJ's would be better
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38993 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 2:07 am to
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The bad thing about trying out to be a PJ is that there is around a 85% attrition rate going through traing that takes over 2 years.


I believe it's the same pipeline as the USAF CCT's just a different MOS when done.

Delta will pull from there and I think Delta and SEALS have one CCT along for the "ride" in each platoon.

But the pipeline is pretty bad arse. Jump school, HALO, USA SCUBA School in Key West, etc.

That's all before he gets to AIT, I believe.
Posted by stuckintexas
austin
Member since Sep 2009
2451 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 2:08 am to
First, he can look for a local program that offers EMT classes to HS students. I have 22 years in Fire/EMS. My wife(no pics) is a former cop and now heads a high school public safety CTE program. Seniors in the program can enroll in an EMT class at a local college and the school pays for it. They're eligible to take the National Registry exam after they complete the class and turn 18. Some have mentioned going paramedic, which is no joke and not for everyone.

Second, not all medical training in the military directly correlates to a civilian certification. Two really big differences are demographics and interventions. The most common demographic and scenario the military will train him on will be military-aged adult trauma. They eliminate almost all pediatric or geriatric demo's, and almost all medical illness assessment.

However, the amount of trauma skills like suturing, IV's, IO's, blood transfusions, pushing narcotics, are all WAAAAAY above simply the EMT level.

If all he wants out of enlisting is to get his EMT, there are significantly easier routes to go. If he wants to pursue a higher level of education during and after his enlistment, the military is the way to go. It will give him a leg up if he goes paramedic or med school.

Another small thing to consider is that an honorable discharge is worth bonus points on a lot of civil service tests. Those can come in handy if he decides to stay in public service.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
8350 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 2:12 am to
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certifications and apparently they are approved by the states so he wouldn't be able to get out of military and immediately become an EMT,


My brother is a Radiologist in the Air Force. He only has a few months left. When he was training he got his certification in the military, but could not pass his state testing which would have been equivalent to an Associate Degree level of training that would have been good in most states.

Since he could not get his state certifications when he gets out he has to redo some of his training via the GI bill to work in the private sector but he can use some of the time he was worked in the military as college credit and get a bachelors level of training and certification pretty quickly depending on the school.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
27051 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 2:31 am to
I find it positively fascinating that the kid wants to be an EMT and people are suggesting setting his sights on being a PJ. PJs are tier 2 (tier 1 if 24th STS). Who is going to go through that hell with the plan to get out and be an EMT? It is like someone saying they want to be a paralegal and the suggestion is to go to Stanford or Yale law school to get there.
Posted by dek81572
Bossier City
Member since Apr 2012
971 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:08 am to
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I believe it's the same pipeline as the USAF CCT's just a different MOS when done.

Delta will pull from there and I think Delta and SEALS have one CCT along for the "ride" in each platoon.

But the pipeline is pretty bad arse. Jump school, HALO, USA SCUBA School in Key West, etc.

That's all before he gets to AIT, I believe.


They both go through a similar pipeline, BMT/Boot Camp 8 weeks, SWCC/ Special Warfare Candidate Course 7 weeks, A&S/ Assessment and Selection 4 weeks, Special Warfare Pre Dive 4 weeks, Special Warfare Combat Dive 5 weeks ( Air Force has their own dive school now in Panama City Florida), Airborne school 5 weeks, Military Free Fall/ HALO 4 weeks, SERE/ Survive Evade Resist and Escape 3 weeks.

PJ then goes to Military Pararescue Provider Program, essentially Paramedic School with added combat medical training 39 week and finally Pararescue Apprentice Course 22 weeks.

CCT doesn't go through the Combat Dive School anymore, they go through the pre drive portion but not the actual combat dive school in Panama City, they also go through Air Traffic Controller school 9 weeks, Combat Control Apprentice Course 13 weeks and finally Special Tactics Training 6 months.

Both can be inserted with other Military branches Spec Ops teams (SEALS, Rangers, MARSOC Raiders, Green Berets etc..) but to be inserted with the Militaries Tier 1 teams , The Unit (Delta) and DEVGRU (SEAL Team 6) you have to be selected to try out for the Air Forces Tier 1 team, the 24th STS.

CCT's do a lot more direct action where às PJ's go in to rescue the direct action groups, downed pilots and such who need medical attention and rescuing.

Both are highly thought of in the spec ops world and both are as highly trained as any US Special Ops team. They both have a high attrition rate,85% as it's some of the hardest training in the military. Most people don't even know that the Chair Force, cough, cough, I mean Air Force has bad arse dudes but they do.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17840 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:09 am to
Marines don’t have medics. Has to become a Navy Corpsman and go green side.
Posted by GruntbyAssociation
Member since Jul 2013
4915 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:23 am to
Most firefighters are cross trained as paramedics, 24 on, 48 off is a pretty good schedule.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
17942 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:37 am to
Marines don’t have medics. He’d have to go USN and get attached to a Marine unit.
Posted by Itismemc
LA
Member since Nov 2008
4736 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:51 am to
He’ll get more bullet trauma wounds if he went through the Delgado program instead.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
54693 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:57 am to
It’s really sad how so many of y’all are saying don’t let the kid join the military especially now at a time when we need every American boy to go to the Middle East to defend our greatest ally
Posted by Bolivar Shagnasty
Your mothers corner
Member since Aug 2017
682 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:57 am to
I worked with a PA that was retired reserves. Went in the army as a medic, did 4 years active duty and then 16 years as a reservist. While doing the reserve years, the army paid for him to become a PA. Retired an officer and works part time at an urgent care while living on the lake.

Military is the way to go, but it is hard to see 40 years old and being able to prep for the future when you're 18.
Posted by George Dickel
Member since Jun 2019
1740 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:19 am to
I like the idea of joining NG or reserves to train as a medic. Then use his benefits to earn his RN. Then, he could get a direct commission as an officer in the NG/ reserves and serve as EMT or Paramedic in civilian life ….if that’s what he desires.

However… he’d make much more as an RN.
This post was edited on 11/4/23 at 11:02 am
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
2933 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:21 am to
If I were in that situation I would do everything I could to stop him or convince him not to make that choice.

That choice being joining the military
This post was edited on 11/4/23 at 8:23 am
Posted by SelaTiger
Member since Aug 2016
19558 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:30 am to
Cool, we need people signing up for the military. The numbers are way down. As long as he’s ok with being lied to constantly and possibly being sent to fight for the interests of the powerful. There is definitely a need for soldiers.
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
3249 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:38 am to
SLCC in Lafayette has an EMT program and it only costs about $2500 a semester.

I would advise your son to move to Texas and enroll in a CC there. He can get a Firefighter/EMT certification there and make 70k to 90k a year and have a municipal pension. Louisiana EMTs get paid crumbs.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
17676 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:39 am to
My nephew's wife was a medic in the army. She used the military experience as a springboard to launch her nursing career when she transitioned to civilian life. Your son would have to do some schooling after military service for state certification but would likely breeze through it. Army medics are very well-trained and get a lot of appreciation and respect from fellow soldiers.
Posted by bobBoxer
the great state of Texas
Member since Jun 2022
736 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:43 am to
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he just told me he wants to go active duty, I don't really want him in the military at all, trying to convince him maybe go the reserves or firefighter route



That is a choice he has to make. Don't push him too hard.
yea im going to let him choose his own route, just trying to give him as many routes as possible to choose from, i appreciate everything yall
Posted by tigersownall
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2011
15672 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:48 am to
Once he hits the chronic he will alter this decision.
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