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100 years ago today - the Meuse-Argonne Offensive of World War I

Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:05 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:05 pm
1.2 million American soldiers went forward into No-Man's-Land to begin the largest offensive in our nation's history. More than 26,000 American soldiers were killed in action with a further 95,000 wounded. It remains to this day the bloodiest battle in U.S. history.

The offensive itself was a massive success. The German army collapsed and the German Empire was finally forced to capitulate.

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This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 8:13 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:20 pm to
That artillary fire.. wow

Easy to understand how men cracked on the battlefield
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:20 pm to
I think they were still shooting shell shocked men then

Edit: like firing squad shoot
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 8:21 pm
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
158988 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:24 pm to
quote:

the Meuse-Argonne Offensive
if you find being my meuse to be offensive, you argonne
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6419 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:25 pm to
Ridiculous for the United States (or Great Britain) to commit troops to that France/Germany suicide show.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21840 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

I think they were still shooting shell shocked men then



quote:

At least 918 French soldiers were executed between 1914 and 1918, making it the army that shot the greatest number of its own soldiers, with the Italian Army, and placing it far ahead of Germany and the Anglo-Saxon countries, according to official figures.

The vast majority were not executed during the mutinies of 1917, but during the first year of the war, between September 1914 and October 1915.

The figure of 918 men executed to set an example may seem statistically inconsequential in comparison to the 1.3 million who “died for France”.

But this practice established by the General Staff constituted a permanent threat in the mind of the troops, even though recourse to capital punishment was never systematic.

Facilitated by the restoration of the courts-martial between 1914 and 1916, the death sentence was coldly regulated by a 1909 decree.

The regulation even specifies the method by which the deathblow should be delivered: “... with a revolver, the barrel of which shall be placed just above the ear and five centimetres away from the cranium”.


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Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21840 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:41 pm to
quote:

Ridiculous for the United States (or Great Britain)


The British were treaty bound to defend the Belgians. The French not so much.

If the Germans dont invade Belgium the British don't get involved.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:41 pm to
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85514 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

26,000 American soldiers were killed

quote:

It remains to this day the bloodiest battle in U.S. history.




Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85514 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:48 pm to
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1.3 million who “died for France”.


Jesus. No wonder Europeans are so afraid to even protect their own border.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:49 pm to
I fail to see what you are confused about. The Meuse-Argonne Offensive cost the United States some 122,000 men killed, wounded, or missing/captured. There isn't a bloodier battle in the annals of American history.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85514 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:55 pm to
I guess I just learned something new today. I always thought way more than that were killed in other battles but now I know “casualty” isn’t necessarily KIA.

The more you know.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

think they were still shooting shell shocked men then


Probably preferable to the daily fear of being struck down by the hellfire from above in some seemingly random fashion like Zeus's thunderbolts
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76148 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:04 pm to
quote:

Ridiculous for the United States (or Great Britain) to commit troops to that France/Germany suicide show.
OK, I’ll send Wilson a strongly-worded telegram tonight.

Thanks for the input.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
56158 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:16 pm to
I, for one, applaud this very timely and informative thread.

This Offensive was contested by the Germans with the utmost determination and ferocity because it's objective was to outflank the entire northern France part of the German front line on the Western Front. Another objective was to capture the rail junction in Sedan, which was an extremely important main supply route for the German Army. This is the main reason why US casualties were so high.

Another reason for high US casualties is the fact that the US Army and USMC were using linear infantry tactics. The companies and battalions advanced in infantry line formation. Of course, the line broke up a bit once they approached the German positions, but, they used line formation and were little, if at all, trained to use fire and maneuver tactics.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74571 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:19 pm to
quote:

It remains to this day the bloodiest battle in U.S. history.


And sadly most Americans don’t even know it even happened.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106047 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:19 pm to
"Come on, you sons of bitches, do you want to live forever?" Sgt Dan Daly, two time CMoH recipient.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
16216 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:17 pm to
It’s amazing how many ways there were to die during WWI.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31593 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:21 pm to
It’s crazy the world fell back into war so quickly afterwards. With as ruthless as ww1 was you’d think war would be the absolute last thing anyone would want.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 9/28/18 at 9:05 am to
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It’s crazy the world fell back into war so quickly afterwards.


What's crazy is that the world really never stopped fighting after 1914. Even after the armistice was signed in November 1918, you still had fighting going on in eastern Europe and Russia well into the 20s. Then you had the Spanish Civil War, followed by the wars in Asia between Japan and China.

Which is why I don't bother arguing with some historians who lump World War I and World War II into the same conflict they call the Second Thirty Years' War.

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