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re: Why does Loomis get so much credit?
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:37 pm to Cajun Revolution
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:37 pm to Cajun Revolution
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The frickin defense was so bad last year it set records. The defense lacks talent. That's a huge component of a bad defense.
but you see the defense does not lack "talent". See i dont' think you follow logic too well. Production and talent are of very different natures.
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Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:40 pm to Chad504boy
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ut you see the defense does not lack "talent"
Chad, the defense lacks talent. At CB, at Safety at the two OLB spots. At the ends. At one of the DL.
You're sitting here hedging bets on what could be. What is a talented player who doesn't produce. A bad player.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:40 pm to Chad504boy
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Production and talent are of very different natures.
the the philly dream team sez amen
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:46 pm to Chad504boy
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You can't say we've had a lack of talent walk through the doors.
Well I am.
Of all those players drafted that early...where are the impact players?
All those defensive FA signings are because we haven't drafted for shite. It's the reason we have no cap room. It's the reason we couldn't let will smith or roman Harper walk the last time they were due money. We don't draft well enough to compensate.
As opposed to teams like SF & Balt letting guys like Gholston or Kruger walk when they were due their 2nd contracts
This post was edited on 3/14/13 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:53 pm to Lester Earl
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Well I am.
Of all those players drafted that early...where are the impact players?
many of them have had many of impacts in the nfl at points in their careers. Talent is there. so we couldn't let will and roman walk because of our shittiness not because of what they did here during their stay? Your arguments are lame bro.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:55 pm to Chad504boy
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but you see the defense does not lack "talent
What does it lack?
Go back in the Payton era and look at all our defensive signings compared to offense. We've tried to patch it every year and have pretty much struck out.
Think of how many guys we've brought in. Now apply that to offense.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:56 pm to Lester Earl
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What does it lack?
Coaching, Scheme, Stability, Player Development
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:05 pm to Chad504boy
If they don't rank in top 25 of yards allowed or ppg, you deserve to be traded to Saints Report for a future conditional pick.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:23 pm to Chad504boy
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Coaching, Scheme, Stability, Player Development
all excuses for lack of talent.
Just because you draft someone in the 1st or 2nd round doesn't mean they are good. Or talented. They could have been talented college players, but not on the NFL level.
I dont see why you feel the need to defend him on this. It's ok to say that he is not good in this aspect of being a GM. No one is going to take away for fan card.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:42 pm to Breesus
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If i went on the rant and bashed Les Miles
You haven't been to the rant in a while, I see. Bashing Miles on the rant is a continuous thing.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 2:45 pm to Lester Earl
You are 100% correct, Lester. The defense has not accumulated talent through the draft (Loomis' fault) and the offense is not exactly stockpiling talent either...as you lose guys like Goodwin, Nicks, Stinchcomb, Bushrod, Meachem leave and Loomis replaces them with De La Puente, Grubbs, Strief, Chrlie Brown and Joe Morgan.
Loomis would have been fired long ago if it weren't for Lil Nicky Saban letting Brees drop in our laps.
Loomis would have been fired long ago if it weren't for Lil Nicky Saban letting Brees drop in our laps.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 3:30 pm to Lester Earl
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Mainly cause they have GM that can actually have input on talent.
I see nothing wrong with a philosophy that allows the coaches, and not the GM, to make the final call on talent evaluation. After all, the GM doesn't supervise the players on a daily basis. The GM does not manage every aspect of a player's job performance -- coaches do that.
So, while I would love to have a Guru GM who is the best in the universe on talent eval and scouting, I cannot argue with the Saints system of allowing the Coaches to pick the players.
The way I see it, if your are a COACH in the National Football League, you are a man with CONFIDENCE in your expert knowledge of how to evaluate a player, and how to coach a player.
If you are an NFL coach who cannot sit in my office and tell me with complete confidence that you think you are one of the best talent evaluators and coaches of all time, I'm not sure I want you working for me.
So, I have no problem with an Owner and a GM that allow that kind of Coach input on the make-up of the roster. When you look at it from a "common sense" stand point, it stands to reason that the coaches who manage and supervise players on a daily/hourly basis SHOULD be better at talent eval than a GM who has not coached in years, or may never have coached.
This post was edited on 3/14/13 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 3/14/13 at 3:37 pm to Champagne
You're just making excuses now.
Letting our coaches pick defensive players(if that's even the case) has been a great method. Bow to Loomis.
It's been a disaster actually.
Letting our coaches pick defensive players(if that's even the case) has been a great method. Bow to Loomis.
It's been a disaster actually.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 3:41 pm to Lester Earl
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You're just making excuses now
I'm the last guy on this board to make excuses for any Saints employee or any LSU football employee.
You made a good point about how the Saints talent eval and scouting needs to improve for the Defense. I agree. These employees of Mr. Tom Benson need to improve their job performance in these areas, and the improvement needs to be immediate and significant.
YES, I would say to these employees that it is not unfair to use the word "disaster" to characterize the quality of the work that's been done on the Saint defense roster.
This post was edited on 3/14/13 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 3/14/13 at 3:43 pm to TigerPimpNationTrank
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The defense has not accumulated talent through the draft (Loomis' fault) and the offense is not exactly stockpiling talent either.
While everything else you have said in this thread outed you as a moron after reading this I can't believe you possess enough brain power to perform autorhythmic acts.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 3:45 pm to Champagne
As a GM, would you say it's easier or harder to evaluate talent, as opposed to being a bean counter?
Think about it for a minute now....
Think about it for a minute now....
Posted on 3/14/13 at 3:47 pm to Lester Earl
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Letting our coaches pick defensive players(if that's even the case) has been a great method. Bow to Loomis.
Yeah obviously the coaches & scouting department deserve to go without blame. Let's blame all of the failures of the defensive players drafted since Loomis arrived on Mickey & Mickey only. frick the bean counter.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 3:58 pm to Lester Earl
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As a GM, would you say it's easier or harder to evaluate talent, as opposed to being a bean counter?
I'm not a mind reader, so, I don't understand your point. Maybe you need to be more clear.
Although neither you nor I know much about being the GM for an NFL franchise, I would guess that the accounting part of the job allows mathematical precision.
When it comes to talent eval and scouting, you are not dealing with factors that can be quantified with mathematical precision.
When it comes to talent eval and scouting, I think that the way to go is to develop an expertise with regard to a particular "Football System", whether it be the "Tex Schramm/Tom Landry" system, or the "Bill Belichick" system or the "Bill Polian" system, and pick your players based on that proven template.
REGARDLESS, when you think about it from a common sense angle, I think you prefer your Head Coach and your O and D Coordinators to be the "System Gurus".
Bottom line: SOMEBODY in the organization needs to be your "System Guru" providing an over-arching philosophy/system for the operation of your Offense and Defense. You can have one "guru" for each side of the line of scrimmage. The GM doesn't need to be the SOLE "System Guru" in your franchse organization.
This post was edited on 3/14/13 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 3/14/13 at 4:13 pm to Champagne
My point is, if you are good at evaluating talent, it is easier to manage your money.
Most GMs naturally are good financially, or hire someone that is good. Only a certain few are really good at eyeing talent. Most of whom are former players or long time scouts.
Most GMs naturally are good financially, or hire someone that is good. Only a certain few are really good at eyeing talent. Most of whom are former players or long time scouts.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 4:17 pm to Lester Earl
OK, I agree with your point.
Loomis has never been an NFL head coach, but, he HAS been around for long enough to develop a high level of expertise with respect to every facet of his job description.
EVERYONE involved in building the Saints Defense Roster needs to improve on this aspect of their job performance.
Does anybody disagree with these above points?
Loomis has never been an NFL head coach, but, he HAS been around for long enough to develop a high level of expertise with respect to every facet of his job description.
EVERYONE involved in building the Saints Defense Roster needs to improve on this aspect of their job performance.
Does anybody disagree with these above points?
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