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Posted on 2/23/25 at 2:37 pm to Fun Bunch
Far as I can tell, these were the main rotational interior lineman and their weights throughout Staley’s time with the Rams and Chargers
Donald 280
Brocker 297
Sebastian Joseph Day 310
Morgan Fox 275
Jerry Tillery 295
Linval Joseph 329
Christian Covington 289
Austin Johnson 314
Breiden Fehoko 300
Nick Williams 310
Scott Matlock 296
Most of these guys are sub 300. The only real whopper is Linval Joseph
Breese 305
Shepard 315
Sanders 324
Ridgeway 324
Boyd 320
Our guys are fatter than pretty much all of the guys Staley has had previously
Donald 280
Brocker 297
Sebastian Joseph Day 310
Morgan Fox 275
Jerry Tillery 295
Linval Joseph 329
Christian Covington 289
Austin Johnson 314
Breiden Fehoko 300
Nick Williams 310
Scott Matlock 296
Most of these guys are sub 300. The only real whopper is Linval Joseph
Breese 305
Shepard 315
Sanders 324
Ridgeway 324
Boyd 320
Our guys are fatter than pretty much all of the guys Staley has had previously
Posted on 2/23/25 at 3:19 pm to GynoSandberg
I thought Donald was a 3 tech? Maybe I’m remembering all this wrong
I know Saunders is a big dude but he did not play the run well in even a 4-3, I just don’t see how he can in a 3-4 as a NT.

I know Saunders is a big dude but he did not play the run well in even a 4-3, I just don’t see how he can in a 3-4 as a NT.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 3:22 pm to Chadzilla
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don't need a personnel overhaul, though.
Well the back 4 doesn’t matter much on the change. We need overhaul even if we stuck to a 4-3. I’m not saying our front 7 doesn’t have players that could have played in a 3-4. Cam and DD would have excelled regardless but they are old. Saunders isn’t all that good against the run. Werner, Granderson, and Bresee will be fine. Saunders can give relief a few plays here and there at nose. Maybe Foskey and Turner adapt well to it.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 3:24 pm to GynoSandberg
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Ridgeway 324 Boyd 320
Forgot about those 2
Posted on 2/23/25 at 4:00 pm to GynoSandberg
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Far as I can tell, these were the main rotational interior lineman and their weights throughout Staley’s time with the Rams and Chargers
This scheme doesn't rely on the typical 2-gap NT lining up over the C
This scheme uses a "gap and a half" alignment, which is how Donald could play DI at 280
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Sebastian Joseph Day 310
When he took over LAC they signed him the following year from LAC
Posted on 2/23/25 at 4:21 pm to LSUPilot07
We have work to do in the draft
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:28 pm to GynoSandberg
It’s not really about size. It’s about scheme. The nose or 0 is supposed to be able to eat up the double teams to allow your linebackers to have free run at the ball carrier etc. This team doesn’t need a massive overhaul to achieve the adjustment to a 3-4. Breese is your 3, they have to have a Nt and they will need to draft one as we don’t have anyone that can eat up the center and guard in the interior. They’ll need someone like Turner to improve but most likely they need a true olb, a 5 tech and a nose. You grab a couple guys like Mykel and Grant or Walker at dt and this defense will already be able to operate with what Staley likes to do.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:39 pm to LSUPilot07
They're going to have to build this from the ground up. That's probably 2 years at best. The bad news is we still have to demo to get to the ground floor. We just have to hope that Mickey gives them the time because of the mess he created.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:38 pm to RawDog7984
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The nose or 0 is supposed to be able to eat up the double teams to allow your linebackers to have free run at the ball carrier etc.
That isn't what this defense utilizes
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is a great video that explains what he did with that rams defense. He came up with a great system for taking away rpos.
Ran 2 deep safeties 45% of the time which led the league. He would use the weak safety for run help.
The guy is really smart and I actually like this hire.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 6:56 am to Chalkywhite84
Playing gap and a half’ in Vic Fangio and Brandon Staley’s system
The issue with Staley is that the league adapted and he could not, and teams would run on the Chargers.
2021: 7th worst in the league in ypc
2022: worst in the league in ypc
There was an improvement in 2023, but it clearly wasn't enough.
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A lot of the Rams’ success against the run was a result of their execution of sound schemes and techniques. What Staley (now head coach of the Chargers) is doing isn’t exactly new — a lot of it came from Broncos head coach Vic Fangio, and Fangio was influenced by many coaches before him. The way Fangio and Staley apply and adapt these principles to the modern game is what makes their defenses effective. One of the ways their defenses can effectively defend the run with light boxes is having their defensive lines play a gap and a half, rather than just single-gap.
“What we really believe in the run game is we don’t want runs that hit us directly,” Staley said on the Pro Football Focus college football podcast. “Because if they hit you directly then that means that your second- and third-level players are going to have to be there quickly and so what you really want is these runs to slow down so you buy more time for the calvary to get there. So up front, we ask our guys to be really aggressive on blocks, really physical on blocks. We try to play a gap and a half. We’re still coming off the rock. We’re definitely not a two-gap system at all. That would imply that we are reading and reacting.”
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Playing a gap and a half is like a happy medium between single-gapping and two-gapping. Defensive linemen can still be aggressive and play a primary gap, but they have to be under control so they can “fall back” to defend a secondary gap after their primary gap is no longer threatened. This offseason, the Rams hired Raheem Morris to replace Staley, but they retained defensive line coach Eric Henderson and will use the same techniques.
Week 1, 8:42 remaining in the second quarter, first-and-10

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In this example, edge defender Samson Ebukam (No. 50) was lined up outside of the tight end. Because this was a slot formation without a receiver outside to Ebukam’s side, cornerback Jalen Ramsey was able to line up inside the box and provide secondary support in the run fit. This allowed Ebukam to play the gap inside of the tight end as his primary gap.

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After the ball was snapped, Ebukam got his head inside to his primary gap. He focused on extending his outside arm into the blocker’s chest plate so he could maintain control of that side, which would be his secondary gap.
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The issue with Staley is that the league adapted and he could not, and teams would run on the Chargers.
2021: 7th worst in the league in ypc
2022: worst in the league in ypc
There was an improvement in 2023, but it clearly wasn't enough.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 7:25 am to SlowFlowPro
This is a bunch of technical talk about nothing. Whether they run an along modified version of it having 3 down lineman requires your nt to eat up multiple blockers and not have them get pushed back 3 yards down the field. Fangio played a ton of 4 down lineman this year but the reason his defense was so successful. Davis and or Carter rating up double teams freeing up backers and leaving one on one for your team ends. The conversation was can they run this with what they have and the answer is no they need a few different pieces.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 7:59 am to RawDog7984
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having 3 down lineman requires your nt to eat up multiple blockers and not have them get pushed back 3 yards down the field.
It's not really 3 down linemen. There is always an edge.
And the point is what they do to prevent that "push back". In this sytem, the DIs are supposed to penetrate more and not read-react like the traditional 3-4 DIs ( especially NTs)
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Fangio played a ton of 4 down lineman this year
So will we. That's the reality of life where 3WR sets are so common.
Staley had Bosa and Mack at edge with 2 DIs pretty routinely with the Chargers.
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Davis and or Carter rating up double teams freeing up backers
Cater was the playmaker, not a blocker-eater.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
You’re missing the point. They have the interior lineman that eat double teams. We don’t have a single interior lineman that does this. Davis is their actual nose but him and Carter require double teams. This allows their edge guys one on one and or Carter or Davis to have one on one. Breese is the only guy who generates some attention and he’s struggled at times. So the answer to the question? The saints need a NT badly cause they have 0. They also need one or two other pieces to run this scheme successfully
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 6:28 pm to LSUPilot07
Moore’s success this year was due to the fact that he adapted his offense to fit his personnel (Barkley)rather than vice versa.
I don’t think he should do that with the Saints defense next year, especially as it concerns Davis and Jordan. Next year will be a rebuilding year. He needs to plan for the future.
I don’t think he should do that with the Saints defense next year, especially as it concerns Davis and Jordan. Next year will be a rebuilding year. He needs to plan for the future.
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