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re: What coach worth anything would accept our roster/cap situation?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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He's a JAG of an OC,
Go comment that in one of Nick Underhill’s live Q&As and report back your results.
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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He's a JAG of an OC
I think he's better than this. I don't think he's some major offensive innovator, but he is better than just a guy I think
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
He had the number 1, 3rd and 7th scoring offenses those years.
You’re so stuck on ypp. Yards per point is not a good metric for football. Randomness plays a big role in its value, mostly due to turnovers. Phil Steele uses it as a metric to determine teams that got lucky the previous season and he’s been writing about it for years. There’s a lot more than goes into good offenses than just the curated stats you and I are mentioning.
You’re so stuck on ypp. Yards per point is not a good metric for football. Randomness plays a big role in its value, mostly due to turnovers. Phil Steele uses it as a metric to determine teams that got lucky the previous season and he’s been writing about it for years. There’s a lot more than goes into good offenses than just the curated stats you and I are mentioning.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:20 am to WicKed WayZ
I do wonder if the Eagles ultra competent FO gets in his ear and tells him not to take this job, and to compare their FO to ours
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:29 am to WicKed WayZ
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You’re so stuck on ypp. Yards per point is not a good metric for football.
I'm using yards per PLAY, which is one of, if not the, best stat, as it shows the average effectiveness on the offense every play, over a huge sample.
No randomness for scoring, TOs, etc.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:30 am to Fun Bunch
Howie has been there since 2000. He and andy reid couldn't field a playoff team but once from 2011-2016.
Loomis was considered great around here for a while.
Guess what I'm saying is when you losing, everyone is a clown, but no one wins constantly. I don't pretend to know if Loomis is good or bad at his job, but he was here during one of the greatest stretches in our franchise. His playing the salary cap kept that window open a long time, and we're paying for it now, but I'm glad he did it.
Loomis was considered great around here for a while.
Guess what I'm saying is when you losing, everyone is a clown, but no one wins constantly. I don't pretend to know if Loomis is good or bad at his job, but he was here during one of the greatest stretches in our franchise. His playing the salary cap kept that window open a long time, and we're paying for it now, but I'm glad he did it.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
If we’re basing everything off ypp then Ken Dorsey >> Joe Brady, correct?
Buffalo 2022 offense ypp was 6.2
I won’t count 2023 since Dorsey was fired and Brady took over. But in 2024, Buffalo’s ypp was 5.9, marginally worse but still worse than what Dorsey did in 2022. Still, by your logic, Ken Dorsey is better than Joe Brady. I’m sure there are other examples to be mined from ypp that both prove and disprove our arguments.
You also bring up the fact Moore has been interviewed multiple times over several years as a negative. Just last year Ben Johnson interviewed with teams and didn’t get hired. Dan Campbell interviewed for a couple of years and wasn’t hired. It happens more than you think. What changed this year in Philly for him to be considered? Maybe NFL executives wanted to see sustained success from him, which he now has. Shanahan called plays at four different NFL teams before he was hired. Sometimes it takes time.
Buffalo 2022 offense ypp was 6.2
I won’t count 2023 since Dorsey was fired and Brady took over. But in 2024, Buffalo’s ypp was 5.9, marginally worse but still worse than what Dorsey did in 2022. Still, by your logic, Ken Dorsey is better than Joe Brady. I’m sure there are other examples to be mined from ypp that both prove and disprove our arguments.
You also bring up the fact Moore has been interviewed multiple times over several years as a negative. Just last year Ben Johnson interviewed with teams and didn’t get hired. Dan Campbell interviewed for a couple of years and wasn’t hired. It happens more than you think. What changed this year in Philly for him to be considered? Maybe NFL executives wanted to see sustained success from him, which he now has. Shanahan called plays at four different NFL teams before he was hired. Sometimes it takes time.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:32 am to msstate7
If they have a couple of successful drafts in a row and hire a good coach no one will say shite about Loomis
However, he has dug himself quite a hole with our cap and lack of hits on draft picks. He had some goodwill from 2021-2023. That shite is over. He’s got one shot to fix it. If he doesn’t, he’s out
However, he has dug himself quite a hole with our cap and lack of hits on draft picks. He had some goodwill from 2021-2023. That shite is over. He’s got one shot to fix it. If he doesn’t, he’s out
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm using yards per PLAY, which is one of, if not the, best stat, as it shows the average effectiveness on the offense every play, over a huge sample.
YPP (yards per play) is often considered not a great metric for football because it provides a simplistic view of offensive efficiency, failing to account for situational factors like down and distance, field position, and the quality of opponent, which can significantly impact the value of each yard gained, making it potentially misleading when comparing teams or players directly.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:39 am to WicKed WayZ
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failing to account for situational factors like down and distance, field position, and the quality of opponent
That's why the sample size matters. Using an entire season eliminates these concerns. If you use it for like a drive? sure.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:22 pm to DBG
quote:2025 is a write-off season. Why encumber salary cap of the future (in'26 & '27) to go 6-11 rather than 4-13?
We also have significant cap space in 2026 and 27. Enough to eat into to get under in 25 and still have room.
We are not going anywhere in 2025
Keep in mind the NFC South was arguably the weakest division in the league each of the past 4 seasons.
2024 5-12-0 4th Place
2023 9-8-0 2nd Place
2022 7-10-0 3rd Place
2021 10-7-0 2nd Place
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
The coach you hire must let go of Carr.
If you don’t …
You keep prolonging everything.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 3:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
I've said this several times. The Cap situation can be fixed over two years. With the correct contract with the expectations of having two more losing seasons, a coach will not be bothered by this issue.
The real issue is the amount of enfluence an incoming coach will have in calling the shots? Will an incoming coach be able to bring in his own staff? Will an incoming coach be able to fire the Ochners strength and conditioning team? Is the Saints organization basically the same as the Cowboys where the Head Coach is not in charge?
The real issue is the amount of enfluence an incoming coach will have in calling the shots? Will an incoming coach be able to bring in his own staff? Will an incoming coach be able to fire the Ochners strength and conditioning team? Is the Saints organization basically the same as the Cowboys where the Head Coach is not in charge?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 3:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Most highly qualified coaches are Alphas with a lot of confidence. They’ll view the challenge as within their capabilities and will take the bull by the horns like Sean did.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 3:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
The longer this goes, the more I am convinced that Rizzi will get the job. The Saints have to confirm that no one wants the job first before they discover that the guy is on the payroll. He can take all the losses while they clean up the roster.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 4:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What coach worth anything would accept our roster/cap situation?
Vince Lombardy, Tom Landry, Don Shula, and maybe Steve Walsh. That’s it.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 4:16 pm to Reagan80
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The longer this goes, the more I am convinced that Rizzi will get the job. The Saints have to confirm that no one wants the job first before they discover that the guy is on the payroll. He can take all the losses while they clean up the roster.
I've been downvoted pretty hard for suggesting that this hire doesn't matter.
We are facing at minimum a 2 year cap rebuild...probably 3 years. That means we are probably into year 4 or 5 at best before we see positive results of a rebuild (at best).
The next coach won't be around by then. There's almost zero chance to succeed. It's why nobody wants the job.
I'm guessing that Gayle is wondering why Loomis' plan of staying the course is something that nobody else in the league agrees with. Loomis was stupid. He backed himself into a corner.
I agree it will be Rizzi or someone else who is willing to cash a check.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 5:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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4-5 year rebuild?
This is not a thing anymore. Washington amassed a nfl record 8+ wins from the previous season for mostly drafting one guy. A qb. So a turn around can happen in the nfl even with cap issues. Likely? Well it wasn't at all likely for years until Wash drafted Daniels.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 5:29 pm to WeeWee
quote:Always thought of him as a mediocre QB, not a miracle worker.
Vince Lombardy, Tom Landry, Don Shula, and maybe Steve Walsh. That’s it.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 6:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Legitimate question. I don't know what you do but if a company that's been in business over 60 years and they offered you say 3 million a year to accept one of only 32 jobs available in the field and you currently don't have one of those 32 jobs, would you turn it down?
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